Millennials, Please Just Shut Up

[BSM1]

I wasn't talking about the U.S. in particular; more what I believe would be the best system of government.

Ok, so now you're talking the US constitution.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Ok, so now you're talking the US constitution.

Ha! Well played.

 

[Aquitaine]

What happened in the UK convinces me even more that some state-related decisions and laws should just not be put up for popular vote and should instead be handled only by a body of experts and intellectuals, like Supreme Court justices.

And yes, I'm completely serious.

Aye: democracy only seems to work if the public are politically educated and active.

So after the UK voted to leave the EU, the Millennials who overwhelmingly voted 'Remain' are getting their knickers in a twist because they didn't get their way. They started a petition for a Second Referendum, because, hey, if you don't get what you want then just keep on pushing until you do. These people clearly don't know what democracy is. The majority wins, and the majority voted out.

Seriously, you lost. Get over it. Lose with dignity, at least.

(Sorry, this isn't aimed at anyone on RF, I'm just annoyed by their juvenile whining).

The exact same behaviour would've been witnessed by the Leavers if the results were opposite. Stuff like this just happens.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Yes. Because they lost. Leave won fair and square. That's the long and short of it.

Leave won because of half-truths, outright lies, broken promises and because they played off of xenophobia & racist sentiment against foreigners. That is the long and short of it.

 

[Rival]

Leave won because of half-truths, outright lies, broken promises and because they played off of xenophobia & racist sentiment against foreigners. That is the long and short of it.

If that's how you see it *Shrug*. I could say the same if Remain won. I don't think any side was given enough info and I voted based on what I thought was right, not what Boris or Farage or anyone else said. I didn't watch or listen to any of their campaigns.

 

[Sakeenah]

They will be thinking, "How can we go back on all the promises we made to the electorate?" "How can we tell them that it wasn't really £350m a week?" "How can we tell them the NHS won't get any more money?" "How do we break it to them that immigration levels will stay the same or maybe continue to rise"
They will also be thinking, "Thank god that Labour and Corbyn are a total waste of time"

This is already happening..the leave campaign has appeared to row back on key pledges made during the EU referendum campaign.Nigel Farage has distanced himself from the claim that 350 milion pounds of contributions could be spend on the NHS. And Tory MEP said free movement could result in similar levels of immigration after Brexit.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Also, if someone is 20 years old and votes to remain in the EU because he or she believes that is in their best interests and then they find out that many of the people who voted "leave" are in their 70s and 80s and would most likely not be around to see the effects of the vote two or three decades from now, would you really blame him or her for being upset? I wouldn't.

In America, Thomas Jefferson wrote that the Constitution should be scrapped and rewritten every 20 years or so, that way every generation could address their own needs and concerns, and so no one would be governed by the dead. It also reflects in modern time, where Conservative Republicans knew they had to hurry up and push anti-same-sex marriage bills through because they knew it was now or never, and amending state constitutions became a major goal because those are harder to change than regular state laws. They knew Gen X is more tolerant and that Millennials are more Liberal, so if they couldn't get it done now they would never get it done.
If anything, it does seem hardly fair that those who won't be living long with the effects of the decision steered the course of history while those who didn't want it are the ones who will have to live with it. It seems natural that in a free society there will be protests and calls for another vote, especially by those who are going to have to live it didn't want it.

Seems logical to me it was the people who voted Remain who googled that, no?

It hardly seems like the British public in general voted to leave, but rather about half voted to stay while about half voted to leave.

 

[Riverwolf]

It is WAAAAAAAY too early to be telling people to "get over it."

Brits who are still upset at American, Indian, and Irish independence from Britain need to "get over it."

I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough about the situation in Britain and the EU to have any opinion on this particular matter. But those who voted Remain should keep shouting at this time. Call me a naive idealist who knows squat all about the politics of Europe, but that shouting could be the starting point for an eventual reppeal, and thus eventual rejoining of the EU.

 

[columbus]

Ok, so now you're talking the US constitution.

I don't want derail Rival's whinging about life in a democracy with freedom of speech...
But I would argue that the US Constitution was superb cutting edge social technology. But that was over 200 years ago.
Many of the primitive notions enshrined in the Constitution are the causes of the dysfunction in the USA political and legal systems.
Tom

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

As Churchill noted, Democracy is the worst of all possible government systems...except for all the others.
And as Menken pointed out, the cure for the ills of democracy is MORE democracy, not less.

 

[Rival]

It is WAAAAAAAY too early to be telling people to "get over it."

Brits who are still upset at American, Indian, and Irish independence from Britain need to "get over it."

I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough about the situation in Britain and the EU to have any opinion on this particular matter. But those who voted Remain should keep shouting at this time. Call me a naive idealist who knows squat all about the politics of Europe, but that shouting could be the starting point for an eventual reppeal, and thus eventual rejoining of the EU.

The referendum is over. We are Out. That's it. We don't want to rejoin EU. A majority vote is a majority vote, even if it was only marginal. How hard is this for young people to understand?

 

[Rival]

RF needs more nationalists and conservatives. Its boring doing this alone

 

[Riverwolf]

The referendum is over. We are Out. That's it. We don't want to rejoin EU. A majority vote is a majority vote, even if it was only marginal. How hard is this for young people to understand?

How hard is it for you to remember that when Prop 8 in California passed, it was NOT over?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

RF needs more nationalists and conservatives. Its boring doing this alone

Why do you have a ****ing quote from Mein Kampf as your signature?! More distressing is why everyone seems oblivious to it! This is extremely offensive and just disgusting! How dare you!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't want derail Rival's whinging about life in a democracy with freedom of speech...
But I would argue that the US Constitution was superb cutting edge social technology. But that was over 200 years ago.
Many of the primitive notions enshrined in the Constitution are the causes of the dysfunction in the USA political and legal systems.
Tom

And, sadly, though I support scrapping and rewriting it, I don't trust anyone who would be rewriting it to improve on things, and it may have the potential to ignite a civil war, especially in regards to the separation of Church and State, taxes, capitalism and socialism, and other heated debate points.

 

[Augustus]

Their age group voted in a majority to Remain; why should they not be livid with us crinklies?

Probably should be more pissed off at themselves seeing as only 36% of them actually voted.

All the remain people should be livid with them instead as they were too busy taking selfies, sharing gifs of cats and "liking" photos of Kim kardashian's new bag on instagram to actually do something about their future

At least the old timers actually got off their arses... (well 83%of them anyway)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How hard is it for you to remember that when Prop 8 in California passed, it was NOT over?

Thank the gods it wasn't over, much like how it is fortunate that the transsexual restroom debate is not over.

 

[Rival]

How hard is it for you to remember that when Prop 8 in California passed, it was NOT over?

I know jack about prop 8. I don't follow US politics. So no, I don't remember.

 

[Riverwolf]

Thank the gods it wasn't over, much like how it is fortunate that the transsexual restroom debate is not over.

Because these matters are never over. Ever.

 

[Riverwolf]

I know jack about prop 8. I don't follow US politics. So no, I don't remember.

Well, here's the short version.

Some years ago, Prop 8 was a law put up to popular vote in California that, if passed, would outlaw same-sex marriage in this state. It did pass.

Now, in the US, by the judgment of the Supreme Court, same-sex marriage is wholly legal throughout the country.

Because we didn't stop shouting.