Misquote in the Gospel

[kjw47]

Were the wars that Jehovah commanded to be fought righteously accomplished?

I didn't see anywhere in the ot where a war was called righteous.

 

[kjw47]

Does anybody know why the governing body has to be the faithful and discreet slave and that the rider of the white horse (Revelation 6:2) has to be Jesus?

They are the only teachers on earth teaching all that Jesus taught

He receives his crown--only Jesus is getting the crown.

 

[kjw47]

Let's see, is 5 years too far in the past for you? For 100 years they taught they were appointed over ALL your gods belongings, up until 2012. In 2013 they finally decided they weren't, and they won't be until Jesus comes again.

I wouldn't want to serve a god that let his people be taught a lie, error, misunderstanding, or whatever YOU want to candy coat it with for 100's of years before he would correct it. I can hear it now, your god says, "that's not what I meant, oh well, they can believe that for a few hundred years and I'll set them straight".

Your 'slave' is no different that the 11 Apostles that walked this earth, please point me to one teaching they taught that they had to come back and say, "that was wrong, we erred, it should be this", just one!

I bet if the past of your cult was all true, the past would mean something today, wouldn't it! But since it was all garbage, it doesn't matter because it is the past. How many people you think lost their families, friends even lives because they didn't believe the trash that was taught? Do you even consider that? What about the blood issue, your god commanded not to take in blood. How many people died because they wanted to 'serve' your god. Then your god changed his mind and said, "blood fractions are ok i guess, let them make the decision". How many people, including kids did your god let die before he changed his mind?

Paul had to correct Peter on a matter. Error teachings got in in Peters book that had to be corrected.Titus was left behind to change error teachings--Gods chosen scholars of the day( Pharisees and saducees) had many error teachings in place--they outright refused to make correction.
See the pattern--error teachings get in-- no matter who you are--the wise make correction--the unwise do not, they think they are standing strong, even though the bible warns not to believe that.

 

[kjw47]

So, if your meek slave teaches an "ERROR" that your god hasn't willed the truth for yet, they have "run ahead of jehovah" right?

Not at all--the teaching is there already in the bible-- Every religion claiming to be Christian are teaching on these matters already. They are in error--only one set of teachers are making correction.

 

[kjw47]

He says it is because they believe in a trinity God so even if they say something that is the pure and forever truth, he can't believe it because of how they view God.

The teachings of Jesus--expose 99% of all religion claiming to be Christian as false. Everyone who knows what Jesus taught knows its fact.

 

[kjw47]

I've asked you questions you can't answer. You're experiencing a normal response and its perfectly understandable.



You're still making things up as you go along. Can you show me where I made this bogus assertion of yours?

First you respond with answers that have nothing to do with the question asked, then you challenge me on a position I haven't taken.

Bizarre.

But let's get back to your assertion and my question again. You stated Jehovah always willed Israel to war. I responded with the book of Esther. Have you been able to find that passage in Esther where Jehovah willed the Jews to war?

Or is this another one of those bible "truths" that no one can find in scripture?

I said--Israel fell away many times and did their own will. When they stood strong--Jehovah commanded war.

 

[kjw47]

Why are you so afraid that anything a non-witness tells you to read will cause you to see the Trinity? Are you afraid of the Epistles? Are you afraid you will see the truth and realize how deceived you've been? Are you afraid if you see the truth you will look foolish?

Romans chapter 6 has nothing to do with the Trinity. And why is it that is all you cult members can drum up, the Trinity, that's all you got.

I asked you to read the entire 6th chapter of Romans, to show you that that one verse you use to claim our deaths pay the wage of sin is a lie and you're afraid to see it. It will make your 'slave' look foolish and you can't have that.

direct quote--- the wages sin pays is death. it is 100% clear. Death pays ones own wage for sin. Every single mortal that has lived and died up till this point--paid there own wages of sin---Jesus death did not pay for them. Or they wouldn't have had to die.

 

[savagewind]

I didn't see anywhere in the ot where a war was called righteous.

I think you are missing the point at 100%. IF God commands a war IT IS RIGHTEOUS!
Yes, or no?

 

[savagewind]

They are the only teachers on earth teaching all that Jesus taught

He receives his crown--only Jesus is getting the crown.

Really? Then why, pray tell, are you obeying the made up **** of the governing body of Jehovah's
Witnesses? It has to be because to you they have a figurative crown!

 

[savagewind]

Paul had to correct Peter on a matter. Error teachings got in in Peters book that had to be corrected.Titus was left behind to change error teachings--Gods chosen scholars of the day( Pharisees and saducees) had many error teachings in place--they outright refused to make correction.
See the pattern--error teachings get in-- no matter who you are--the wise make correction--the unwise do not, they think they are standing strong, even though the bible warns not to believe that.

 

[Oeste]

I said--Israel fell away many times and did their own will. When they stood strong--Jehovah commanded war.

Was Esther wrong to go to war?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

direct quote--- the wages sin pays is death. it is 100% clear. Death pays ones own wage for sin.

Apparently it isn't!

Sin pays the wage of death, just like YOUR "direct quote" the wages SIN PAYS is DEATH, the sinner doesn't pay the wage, he/she EARNS the wage of death by sinning.

One doesn't pay ones own wage with death, we pay our DEBT for sin.

Jesus death did not pay for them. Or they wouldn't have had to die

Since you're afraid to read it for yourself, here it is, don't worry, I left the Trinity out just for you!

Romans 6:1-8 (ESV Strong's) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ,

Tell me how you get we must die physically out of the above.

 

[kjw47]

I think you are missing the point at 100%. IF God commands a war IT IS RIGHTEOUS!
Yes, or no?

Only if lead by a rider of the white horse--White signifies-righteous--no mention of white in any mortal war.

 

[kjw47]

Really? Then why, pray tell, are you obeying the made up **** of the governing body of Jehovah's
Witnesses? It has to be because to you they have a figurative crown!

No, they are Jesus' appointed teachers. They will have crowns--the anointed( 144,000) little flock--will go to heaven and rule on thrones alongside of Jesus judging and separating. They will even judge the fallen angels.

 

[kjw47]

Was Esther wrong to go to war?

If it wasn't commanded by God it was wrong. David once held a censor without Gods approval. God was not happy with him. So how would he feel if human lives were taken without his say?

 

[kjw47]

Apparently it isn't!

Sin pays the wage of death, just like YOUR "direct quote" the wages SIN PAYS is DEATH, the sinner doesn't pay the wage, he/she EARNS the wage of death by sinning.

One doesn't pay ones own wage with death, we pay our DEBT for sin.



Since you're afraid to read it for yourself, here it is, don't worry, I left the Trinity out just for you!

Romans 6:1-8 (ESV Strong's) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ,

Tell me how you get we must die physically out of the above.

Baptized unto the REAL Jesus--not the fake trinity one. verse 7--one who has---died-- has been set free from sin.

 

[MJFlores]

I particularly like this misquote from the gospel
it regards John the Baptist

Luke 3:4
"As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
'A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him''.

So the gospel scholars make a strong distinction that it was John proclaiming 'in the desert' then quotes.
Here is the actual Isaiah quote.....
Isaiah 40:3
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the Lord;
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

As you can see, they misquoted between 'in the desert' and 'prepare the way of our Lord'.
they moved the break of exclamation

So it is not, a voice of one calling in the desert: 'prepare the way'

it is, a voice of one calling: 'in the desert prepare the way'
the prophet wasn't in the desert, the highway of the Lord was.

I don't know why they haven't fixed that typo after all these years?

Just a typo but the idea and the message is there.

It really depends on the bible translation one is reading.

Let say I use various bible translations Luke 3:4 the following would be:

KJ21 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight.

ASV as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight.

AMP as it is written and forever remains written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one shouting in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.

AMPC As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, The voice of one crying in the wilderness [shouting in the desert]: Prepare the way of the Lord, make His beaten paths straight.

BRG As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

CSB as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah: A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: Prepare the way for the Lord; make his paths straight!

CEB This is just as it was written in the scroll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, A voice crying out in the wilderness: “Prepare the way for the Lord; make his paths straight.

CJB It was just as had been written in the book of the sayings of the prophet Yesha‘yahu, “The voice of someone crying out: ‘In the desert prepare the way for Adonai! Make straight paths for him!

CEV Isaiah the prophet wrote about John when he said, “In the desert someone is shouting, ‘Get the road ready for the Lord! Make a straight path for him.

DARBY as it is written in [the] book of [the] words of Esaias the prophet: Voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of [the] Lord, make straight his paths.

DLNT as it has been written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet [in Isa 40:3-5], “A voice of one shouting in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; be making His paths straight.

DRA As it was written in the book of the sayings of Isaias the prophet: A voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.

ERV This is like the words written in the book of Isaiah the prophet: “There is someone shouting in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.

ESV As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

ESVUK As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

EXB As it is written in the ·book of [L book of the words/oracles of] Isaiah the prophet: “This is a voice of one who ·calls out [shouts; cries out] in the ·desert [wilderness]: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make ·the road straight [a clear path] for him.

GNV As it is written in the book of the sayings of Isaiah the Prophet, which saith, The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness is, Prepare ye the way of the Lord: make his paths straight.

GW As the prophet Isaiah wrote in his book, “A voice cries out in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord! Make his paths straight!

GNT As it is written in the book of the prophet Isaiah: “Someone is shouting in the desert: ‘Get the road ready for the Lord; make a straight path for him to travel!

HCSB as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah: A voice of one crying out in the wilderness: Prepare the way for the Lord; make His paths straight!

ICB As it is written in the book of Isaiah the prophet: “This is a voice of a man who calls out in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.

ISV as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, “He is a voice calling out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord! Make his paths straight!

JUB as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord; make his paths straight.

KJV As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

AKJV as it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

LEB as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, “The voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight!

TLB In the words of Isaiah the prophet, John was “a voice shouting from the barren wilderness, ‘Prepare a road for the Lord to travel on! Widen the pathway before him!

MSG In the fifteenth year of the rule of Caesar Tiberius—it was while Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea; Herod, ruler of Galilee; his brother Philip, ruler of Iturea and Trachonitis; Lysanias, ruler of Abilene; during the Chief-Priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas—John, Zachariah’s son, out in the desert at the time, received a message from God. He went all through the country around the Jordan River preaching a baptism of life-change leading to forgiveness of sins, as described in the words of Isaiah the prophet: Thunder in the desert! “Prepare God’s arrival! Make the road smooth and straight! Every ditch will be filled in, Every bump smoothed out, The detours straightened out, All the ruts paved over. Everyone will be there to see The parade of God’s salvation.”

MEV As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying: “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; make His paths straight.

MOUNCE As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one calling out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make the paths straight for him.

NOG As the prophet Isaiah wrote in his book, “A voice cries out in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord! Make his paths straight!

NABRE as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one crying out in the desert: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make straight his paths.

NASB as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord, Make His paths straight.

NCV As it is written in the book of Isaiah the prophet: “This is a voice of one who calls out in the desert: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.

NET As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one shouting in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make his paths straight.

NIRV Here is what is written in the book of Isaiah the prophet. It says, “A messenger is calling out in the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord. Make straight paths for him.

NIV As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.

NIVUK As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: ‘A voice of one calling in the wilderness, “Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.

NKJV as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying: “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His paths straight.

NLV The early preacher Isaiah wrote these words: “His voice calls out in the desert. ‘Make the way ready for the Lord. Make the road straight for Him!

NLT Isaiah had spoken of John when he said, “He is a voice shouting in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord’s coming! Clear the road for him!

NRSV as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, “The voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

NRSVA as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, ‘The voice of one crying out in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

NRSVACE as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, ‘The voice of one crying out in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

NRSVCE as it is written in the book of the words of the prophet Isaiah, “The voice of one crying out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

NTE This is what is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: A voice shouting in the wilderness: get ready a path for the Lord, make the roads straight for him!

OJB As it has been written in the sefer divrei Yeshayah Hanavi, KOL KOREY BAMIDBAR (A voice of one shouting in the wilderness, YESHAYAH 40:3): Prepare the Derech Hashem (the Way of the L-rd). Make his paths straight!

RSV As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

RSVCE As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

TLV As it is written in the scroll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way of Adonai, and make His paths straight.

VOICE As Isaiah the prophet had said, A solitary voice is calling: “Go into the wilderness; prepare the road for the Eternal One’s journey. In the desert, repair and straighten every mile of our True God’s highway.

WEB As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make ready the way of the Lord. Make his paths straight.

WE Isaiah, the prophet of God, wrote about him long ago in his book: `A man is calling out in the desert: "Make the way ready for the Lord. Make the road straight for him.

WYC As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias, the prophet, The voice of a crier in desert [The voice of one crying in desert], Make ye ready the way of the Lord, make ye his paths right.

YLT as it hath been written in the scroll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths;

 

[Oeste]

I think you are missing the point at 100%. IF God commands a war IT IS RIGHTEOUS!
Yes, or no?

Only if lead by a rider of the white horse--White signifies-righteous--no mention of white in any mortal war.

Well there you have it then. We must first see the sign:

 

[Oeste]

Was Esther wrong to go to war?

If it wasn't commanded by God it was wrong. David once held a censor without Gods approval. God was not happy with him. So how would he feel if human lives were taken without his say?

God didn't command Esther to go to war. It was the Persian King Ahasuerus (Esther 9:1; Esther 9:13-14) and over 75,000 people were killed. (Esther 9:12; Esther 9:14-16).

And do you recall what happened afterwards?

Things turned around on the Jew haters just as it did on the Christ haters at Calvary.

At the direction of Mordecai, the Jews celebrated and declared their great military victory a national holiday. They gave gifts to each other and to the poor in the manner Christians do at Christmas. (Esther 9:17-20).

because on those days the Jews rid themselves of their enemies, and as the month which was turned for them from grief to joy and from mourning into a holiday; that they should make them days of feasting and rejoicing and sending choice portions of food to one another and gifts to the poor.

So the Jews undertook what they had started to do, and what Mordecai had written to them.(Esther 9:22-23 AMP)​

I think its time to decide whether your religious doctrine trumps the bible KJW, because right now they ain't agreeing.

 

[Searching1981]

I particularly like this misquote from the gospel
it regards John the Baptist

Luke 3:4
"As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:
'A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him''.

So the gospel scholars make a strong distinction that it was John proclaiming 'in the desert' then quotes.
Here is the actual Isaiah quote.....
Isaiah 40:3
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the Lord;
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

As you can see, they misquoted between 'in the desert' and 'prepare the way of our Lord'.
they moved the break of exclamation

So it is not, a voice of one calling in the desert: 'prepare the way'

it is, a voice of one calling: 'in the desert prepare the way'
the prophet wasn't in the desert, the highway of the Lord was.

I don't know why they haven't fixed that typo after all these years?

I'm not pretending to be willfully ignorant, but I don't see any distinction in the two passages. Don't confuse legalism with Spirituality, both passages are saying the exact same thing with just a little bit of difference in the wording, very slight. The Apostles weren't Legalist and neither was Jesus Christ and no Faith filled person, in my opinion, is Legalist. To me Legalism is a symptom of Atheism.

Let me explain what Legalism is because being on this forum I will make mention of the Legalist trap. The term Legalism essentially means Form is not only more important than Faith, but Form is the Faith. The Rules and Laws are meant to be honored even if they do not honor God or bring one closer to Faith. It is worshiping the Paper and the Parchment over the Author; it is essentially saying no Author exists so no intent exists but the Laws should be worshiped for they are Laws. In it's most severe cases it's a form of Idol worship, where the Law is being worshiped and not God.

In my humble experiences in life, I find Atheist to be quite Legalist requiring a strict regimented view of Christianity no one can live up to, especially not them. It can be interpreted different ways, one way is they are aware people know something is going and they cannot see it but they know something is going on so they look for excuses for not seeing it. Another reason could be that is just how their body is wired, they were born that way. In either case, there is nothing you can do with a Legalist, born that way they have little shot at true Faith, aware others feel it but not feeling it still means they can't feel it and they will cling to the letter because that is all they have.