Misquote in the Gospel

[kjw47]

I don't agree that saved means to be in good standing with God or why would it be written, "there is no one righteous, no, not one!"?
I agree that a person can lose his way with God, but to do so is by his or her own volition. Nobody can take you or me or anyone away from God's love which is in Jesus Christ. It is a choice anyone might make to stop seeking Jehovah and to stop following Jesus Christ.

I wonder what all those men who you trust will do if they discover that Jehovah had let them leave him?

In a sense not one is truly righteous, but at acts 10:35--one can work at being righteous. They accomplish this daily- Acts 16:24-- Matt 6:33--John 4:22-24

 

[kjw47]

Did God not command a war that Israel fought for their promised land?

God commanded many wars back then. It was Gods will for those to occur-then. That stopped upon the arrival of the new covenant-LOVE. Jesus brought it.

 

[kjw47]

If someone who trusts that God and Jesus are of the same something or other explains that Jesus could not have been in Heaven opening seals and at the same time riding as the first horseman you will think the opposite because......why?

I think it is so that you can stand in a different place looking righteous. You won't enlist anyone who is able to think logically with that doctrine.

The majority of revelation is not understood by the majority on earth-- Only through the real teachers of Jesus is revelation revealed, here in these last days-Dan 12:4--

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Its fact--The wages of sin = death.--certain lying teachers tell their flock that Jesus covered their sin--but them dying proves that teacher a liar. If Jesus covered them, they wouldnt owe the wage themselves, yet all have paid it themselves.

You need to read and reread the whole chapter of Romans 6

This is how my debt was paid,

Romans 6:1-4 (ESV Strong's) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.


This is referring to NOW while we are alive,

Romans 6:5-7 (ESV Strong's) 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin.

You need to get out of that cult and pray that God will give you true understanding

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The majority of revelation is not understood by the majority on earth-- Only through the real teachers of Jesus is revelation revealed, here in these last days-Dan 12:4--

Yeah, like the pope and his bishops being satan and his angels! Or like, the 7 volumes of 'studies in the scriptures' being the 7 angels in Revelation! Or like, the watchtower being mentioned in Revelation!

Real teachers?!

 

[savagewind]

100% fact-- the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers. Those taught a trinity refuse to believe Jesus even though his teachings contradict many of their teachings.
They say being a member of the organization is likened to being on the Ark( Noah')-- And if they are teaching truth( I know 100% they are) they are correct. Only they are being instructed at the proper time( when God wills)-- Yes, they err--they are imperfect- By making correction to error teachings in front of the whole world proves truth is what they are about.

People might worry that they too will lose their power of reason if they become JWs. YOU say they teach 100% truth but that they will change their true teachings if need be.

 

[savagewind]

God commanded many wars back then. It was Gods will for those to occur-then. That stopped upon the arrival of the new covenant-LOVE. Jesus brought it.

LOL OK.

 

[savagewind]

The majority of revelation is not understood by the majority on earth-- Only through the real teachers of Jesus is revelation revealed, here in these last days-Dan 12:4--

So it is OK by you that Jesus is the Lamb who opens the seals and in the same vision he "leaves" to ride and is still in Heaven to open more seals AND that it is a creature's voice that he obeys.

I know he obeys only ONE VOICE. You say he also obeys a creature's voice and that makes sense to you BECAUSE you believe what those men tell you that they are for Jehovah.

Explain how Jesus being the Archangel, according to you, would listen to a lesser voice to obey IT?

 

[savagewind]

Why don't you show us where any war in the ot was called righteous war?????

James 3:10
Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing.My brothers, it is not right for things to happen this way.+

You say "God commanded many wars back then. It was Gods will for those to occur-then."

So, according to you, the wars that God commanded were not righteous.

I know for a FACT that whatever God purposes, wills and commands IS RIGHTEOUS!
But, you say the wars Jehovah commanded to be fought were not righteous.

Me thinks you are in BIG trouble!

 

[Oeste]

God was with Israel--His prophets told the king what to do. God is with 0 mortal govts today. He was with 0 back then except when Israel stood strong, yet they fell over and over.

Why is it impossible for you to answer a direct, simple questions?

You are asked a question and you respond with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question asked.

You stated the following:

I skipped nothing--- Wars of men are not righteous. Its murder unless willed by God. The only wars God ever willed was through the Israelites in the ot--0 in the nt.

Do you even remember stating this kjw? I challenged you on this in my prior post. I wanted you to read Esther and let us know when and where God willed the war.

When you're able to do that let me know. I think you'll have to scrap your Watchtower and pick up a bible first though.

Why don't you show us where any war in the ot was called righteous war?????

You can thank Savagewind for answering that one. Had you simply done what I asked...picked up a bible and started reading it without the "aid" of the Watchtower...you could have answered this yourself.

 

[kjw47]

You need to read and reread the whole chapter of Romans 6

This is how my debt was paid,

Romans 6:1-4 (ESV Strong's) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.


This is referring to NOW while we are alive,

Romans 6:5-7 (ESV Strong's) 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin.

You need to get out of that cult and pray that God will give you true understanding

There is no where to go--Your advice would send me to serve a non existent trinity--no thank you.
You still sin, every mortal does--you are not free of it yet--thus the reason everyone who lived and is no longer here--paid the wages of sin themselves= death. The apostles died and paid their wage of sin as well= death.

 

[kjw47]

Yeah, like the pope and his bishops being satan and his angels! Or like, the 7 volumes of 'studies in the scriptures' being the 7 angels in Revelation! Or like, the watchtower being mentioned in Revelation!

Real teachers?!

The past does not exist anymore--its 2017--live in it--The JW teachers made correction to their errors, It is all that God requires= correction( repentence)-- God doesn't hold your repented sin against you, so why are you in turn holding it against another??? Even though you know 100% for sure they have made many corrections??? So then, God should hold it against you as well.

 

[kjw47]

People might worry that they too will lose their power of reason if they become JWs. YOU say they teach 100% truth but that they will change their true teachings if need be.

Gods word assures--there is no 100%--- but at the proper time( when God wills) certain truths are revealed-progressive.

 

[kjw47]

LOL OK.

If you don't believe me, then show us all the prophets whom God spoke through after Jesus died and called for war. The # = 0

 

[savagewind]

Gods word assures--there is no 100%--- but at the proper time( when God wills) certain truths are revealed-progressive.

There is no 100% of what?

 

[savagewind]

If you don't believe me, then show us all the prophets whom God spoke through after Jesus died and called for war. The # = 0

It's not what you said. You said the "OT".

 

[savagewind]

Gods word assures--there is no 100%--- but at the proper time( when God wills) certain truths are revealed-progressive.

How do you know it isn't God's will that you must stop teaching that Jesus is pictured at Revelation 6:2?

 

[kjw47]

So it is OK by you that Jesus is the Lamb who opens the seals and in the same vision he "leaves" to ride and is still in Heaven to open more seals AND that it is a creature's voice that he obeys.

I know he obeys only ONE VOICE. You say he also obeys a creature's voice and that makes sense to you BECAUSE you believe what those men tell you that they are for Jehovah.

Explain how Jesus being the Archangel, according to you, would listen to a lesser voice to obey IT?

Gods will is why Jesus would listen--it was a cherub. Its how-GOD-set it up. Jesus is humble--he does anything in accordance to Gods will.

 

[kjw47]

Why is it impossible for you to answer a direct, simple questions?

You are asked a question and you respond with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question asked.

You stated the following:

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Do you even remember stating this kjw? I challenged you on this in my prior post. I wanted you to read Esther and let us know when and where God willed the war.

When you're able to do that let me know. I think you'll have to scrap your Watchtower and pick up a bible first though.



You can thank Savagewind for answering that one. Had you simply done what I asked...picked up a bible and started reading it without the "aid" of the Watchtower...you could have answered this yourself.

I see nothing but darkness in your posts--mumbo jumbo. YOU show us all where God called for war in the NT after Jesus brought the new covenant-- you cannot.

 

[savagewind]

Gods will is why Jesus would listen--it was a cherub. Its how-GOD-set it up. Jesus is humble--he does anything in accordance to Gods will.

OK. If a cherub can tell Jesus what to do THEN HE ISN'T the archangel.
For him to be Michael HE HAS TO BE IN COMMAND as the archangel. To obey another angel means he ISN'T in command.

Did you never read that "ALL AUTHORITY" was given him?