Misquote in the Gospel

[kjw47]

So, I think what you are saying is that all the believers in Christ Jesus were on their own until 1914.

They all died and paid in full the wages of sin. There weren't many true followers of Jesus on earth prior to 1914-- the trinity religions are teaching a false Jesus--he does not accept it.
Truth wasn't needed until these last days. And the bible promised truth would become abundant here in these last days-Dan 12:4--otherwise none could accomplish Gods will-John 4:22-24

 

[kjw47]

It is what I AM saying! Who is confused? LOL
I wonder if the JWs who are faithful to the governing body will ever know that those men are making them stupider?

They are the only teachers on earth who have truth. That means--the only teachers who have Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

By the way, it seems to me @kjw47 for Jesus to give the faithful and discreet slave dominion over all God's belongings, like the governing body (the F&DS - self-proclaimed) say he will, he is giving away some of his own "all authority". This is not an opinion. It is math.

Tell us how it makes sense that Jesus is given a crown "authority" and then he passes it on to your men, who, by the way, shouldn't even be on the Earth to be 144,000 members as the 144,000 are in HEAVEN.

Jesus shared his authority with his apostles--In fact he said they would do greater works than him.
He shared it with Paul as well. But the fact remains--Jesus is head of the congregation.

 

[kjw47]

Nobody has given me a like yet for this jewel.

HOW can anyone be of the 144,000 BEFORE he or she "endures to the end"? Matthew 24:13

I suppose I am keeping an account. I don't have it written down who owes me, so do not worry your little, little heads off. OK?

By living to do Gods will now. One can be in a saved position now, but they as well must endure till their end doing it. No mortal on earth knows who can--they can assume.--No mortal has the right to tell another they are saved.

 

[savagewind]

By living to do Gods will now. One can be in a saved position now, but they as well must endure till their end doing it. No mortal on earth knows who can--they can assume.--No mortal has the right to tell another they are saved.

Do you not tell yourself that the governing body members are saved? If you can not know they are saved, why do you obey them for the truth? Do JWs believe that salvation can come through someone who is not saved? Or, you might say that they are not responsible for any salvation. They make up rules to obey. Don't they? They say that to obey them is to obey Jehovah. Don't they?
So, either they are already saved and you know it, or what?

 

[savagewind]

Truth wasn't needed until these last days.

Say what? What about Moses? The writer of Psalms? The prophets? Did they not need the truth?

 

[savagewind]

The white horse= righteous war--only the war in heaven and Har-mageddon have the white horse leading it. No righteous war has been fought on earth. It doesn't say earth anywhere.

I know what you think for I was a Jehovah's Witness too. You believe that because the rider pictured at Revelation 6:2 rides a white horse, he must be the same rider as the one shown riding a white horse pictured at Revelation 19:11.

It just goes to prove that you do not know Jesus because there are two of them who ride white horses and you say the false one is Jesus.

I believe the one pictured at Revelation 19:11 pictures Jesus Christ. The other one does not.

How do I know this?

Because Jesus is in HEAVEN. The horses of the Apocalypse are on the earth.
You say the white one is n Heaven, but are the other three in Heaven also, according to you?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

They all died and paid in full the wages of sin.

That's a lie straight from hell itself! If an individuals death could pay in full the wages of sin, then Jesus died for nothing. You need to read that whole chapter, not just the one verse!!

There weren't many true followers of Jesus on earth prior to 1914

Truth wasn't needed until these last days.

Really, you actually typed that? What's more shameful is, you probably believe it too! The TRUTH wasn't needed from the time of the last Apostle until 1914 huh?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

They are the only teachers on earth who have truth.

You don't pay any attention to your orgs website, do you? Losch said they are still "roving about", that means they don't have the truth.

 

[Oeste]

No righteous war has been fought on earth.

Wow!

Either you skipped a lot of scripture in ministry class or you're making things up as you go along.

 

[kjw47]

Do you not tell yourself that the governing body members are saved? If you can not know they are saved, why do you obey them for the truth? Do JWs believe that salvation can come through someone who is not saved? Or, you might say that they are not responsible for any salvation. They make up rules to obey. Don't they? They say that to obey them is to obey Jehovah. Don't they?
So, either they are already saved and you know it, or what?

I stated --one can be in a saved position now, but must endure until their end doing it--no mortal knows if another will accomplish that--they can only assume.
They are of the little flock--they still must endure till the end.Judas was of the little flock, yet fell and did not get back up.

 

[kjw47]

Say what? What about Moses? The writer of Psalms? The prophets? Did they not need the truth?

God was leading his religion in Moses, David etcs day. They needed truth because they lived by the Mosaic law--Jesus brought a new covenant--but all have died prior to the last days. They could easily see bible milk--what God disliked or liked. They had 0 clue about the prophecys of these last days in Revelation. They paid their wages of sin by tasting death. Those living in the last days have the opportunity to never taste death--thus must know truth( Dan 12:4, John 4:22-24) it is Gods will.

 

[kjw47]

I know what you think for I was a Jehovah's Witness too. You believe that because the rider pictured at Revelation 6:2 rides a white horse, he must be the same rider as the one shown riding a white horse pictured at Revelation 19:11.

It just goes to prove that you do not know Jesus because there are two of them who ride white horses and you say the false one is Jesus.

I believe the one pictured at Revelation 19:11 pictures Jesus Christ. The other one does not.

How do I know this?

Because Jesus is in HEAVEN. The horses of the Apocalypse are on the earth.
You say the white one is n Heaven, but are the other three in Heaven also, according to you?

Show us all, where it says the first ride of the white horse at Rev 6 is on earth.
Rev 19:11--is about Har-mageddon.
Rev 12 explains the war in heaven and says-- 12:10-- the authority of the Christ begins--(He receives his crown)--Rev 6 is that first ride.
White horse= righteous war--biblical language.
Jesus is already wearing the crown at the 2nd ride at Har-mageddon. Proving rev 6 is the war in heaven--Yes the other 3 riders rode on earth( post ww1)-- millions died all over the earth after ww1--from the filth of slaughtering one another, starvation, diseases, etc.

 

[kjw47]

That's a lie straight from hell itself! If an individuals death could pay in full the wages of sin, then Jesus died for nothing. You need to read that whole chapter, not just the one verse!!





Really, you actually typed that? What's more shameful is, you probably believe it too! The TRUTH wasn't needed from the time of the last Apostle until 1914 huh?

Are you saying they did not die? The wages of sin = death--they all paid it themselves.
Those who died prior to Har-mageddon have the resurrection hope. Those living to see Har-mageddon--the little flock= changed in the twinkling of an eye during the trib--will NEVER taste death. Those brought through Har-mageddon--will never taste death-- these are covered by Jesus sacrifice so as not to have to taste death, Its open to all, but Few find the way.

 

[kjw47]

You don't pay any attention to your orgs website, do you? Losch said they are still "roving about", that means they don't have the truth.

The major majority of what they teach is accurate truth--Yes there are still things that will be revealed--at the proper time the bible says it will occur. Through Jesus vappointed teachers-the faithful and discreet slave who give food( spiritual) at the proper time.
But Daniel 12:4 is truth--here in these last days truth will be abundant. It wasn't before these last days--those religions can hardly understand the milk, let alone the meat.

 

[kjw47]

Wow!

Either you skipped a lot of scripture in ministry class or you're making things up as you go along.

I skipped nothing--- Wars of men are not righteous. Its murder unless willed by God. The only wars God ever willed was through the Israelites in the ot--0 in the nt.
55million slaughtered in ww2 alone--our human brothers and sisters that God created and gave the right to life. You see God only created a single human family-- Govts and false religions divide into hatred. What can one expect in a satan ruled world. 99% are mislead.

 

[savagewind]

I stated --one can be in a saved position now, but must endure until their end doing it--no mortal knows if another will accomplish that--they can only assume.
They are of the little flock--they still must endure till the end.Judas was of the little flock, yet fell and did not get back up.

I do not know what the right thing to say is. What do you think "saved" means?

 

[savagewind]

If anyone of the little flock ends up not "saved" WHOSE fault would that be?

 

[savagewind]

Show us all, where it says the first ride of the white horse at Rev 6 is on earth.
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I don't believe you can be so stupid. Go ahead report me!
Jesus is a lamb IN HEAVEN. He opens the seven seals. Correct?
Out comes a rider on a white horse. Is Jesus then still in Heaven opening the rest of the seals?
Jesus is still in Heaven. AFTER the white horse rides (you say he rides in Heaven) another seal is opened. By whom is it opened? The rider of the white horse????????????????????????????
Please read again what the rest of the riders do, pretty please. What they do is all about THE EARTH!

 

[savagewind]

I DO NOT believe in once saved always saved. Saved means, "rescued and kept safe".
Rescuing alone isn't what God's salvation is. God rescues us by Jesus Christ and KEEPS US SAFE.
He who endures to the end has been SAVED. OMG!