Model Karlie Kross runs afoul of SJWs !

[Kirran]

I still disagree that jokes about rape trivialise it. Humans will joke about anything. It doesn't bother me. There are plenty of people who make jokes about Catholic Priests molesting children; I'm not sure that trivialises it at all.

The difference between that and rape is that rape is something that is common and widespread in society. When people make jokes about consent and so on, they are reducing its importance, making it seem a laughing matter. This is generally a manifestation and contributor to men thinking they can basically play it fast and loose with consent and treat women as objects which men have certain level of rights to. That is the main problem, and that's what rape culture is.

 

[Rival]

The difference between that and rape is that rape is something that is common and widespread in society. When people make jokes about consent and so on, they are reducing its importance, making it seem a laughing matter. This is generally a manifestation and contributor to men thinking they can basically play it fast and loose with consent and treat women as objects which men have certain level of rights to. That is the main problem, and that's what rape culture is.

But what if women make those jokes?

Also, I still disagree. I just...disagree. The causes of rape are well known and 'jokes about it' is not one of them.

 

[Kirran]

But what if women make those jokes?

Also, I still disagree. I just...disagree. The causes of rape are well known and 'jokes about it' is not one of them.

Yeah look, I ain't saying that every single case is problematic in this manner.

The cause of rape of women is misogyny and lack of respect for women and their autonomy. This is part of that phenomenon, and lets those attitudes slide when they shouldn't be permitted.

 

[Rival]

Yeah look, I ain't saying that every single case is problematic in this manner.

The cause of rape of women is misogyny and lack of respect for women and their autonomy. This is part of that phenomenon, and lets those attitudes slide when they shouldn't be permitted.

Well, first, there are several types of rape. Admittedly, when I use the term I think mostly of 'sadistic rape'; i.e, the perp gets off on rape, pain, humiliation etc. This has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with power. This is the type most found in kidnaps etc. This can also include 'power assertive rape'. This type can be used on either sex.

The second type is anger rape, which is also linked to power, humiliation and, of course, rage.

The third is drug related, alcohol etc.

Rape is really complex and often involves a bad childhood, emotional and physical neglect, sexual abuse etc. Whilst there are theories that posit that rape is carried out as a result of anger towards women, I hardly think this is the reason and there are many, many factors at play that may or may not involve misogyny.

 

[Kirran]

Well, first, there are several types of rape. Admittedly, when I use the term I think mostly of 'sadistic rape'; i.e, the perp gets off on rape and pain etc. This has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with power. It is the type most found in kidnaps etc. This can also include 'power assertive rape'. This type can be used on either sex.

The second type is anger rape, which is also linked to power, humiliation and, of course, rage.

The third is drug related, alcohol etc.

Rape is really complex and often involves a bad childhood, emotional and physical neglect, sexual abuse etc. Whilst there are theories that posit that rape is carried out as a result of anger towards women, I hardly think this is the reason and there are many, many factors at play that may or may not involve misogyny.

OK, fair enough, but I don't think one can reasonably say that lack of respect for women does not contribute to the incidence of rape, including domestic rape. And regardless of how you can split these things up, rape is fundamentally having sex with someone who does not want to have sex. That is rape.

 

[Quagmire]

Don't you dare say that Kirk Douglas isn't Spartacus!!!!!!

I would never go that far.

 

[icehorse]

OK, fair enough, but I don't think one can reasonably say that lack of respect for women does not contribute to the incidence of rape, including domestic rape. And regardless of how you can split these things up, rape is fundamentally having sex with someone who does not want to have sex. That is rape.

And in a healthy free society we have to allow rape jokes and criticize them if they are unhealthy. What we cannot do is shut down rape jokes. (Or any other kind of joke.)

Salman Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses". It's a comedy, and it jokes about Muhammad. Rushdie has had a fatwa on his head for a couple of decades now. This is simply not a tolerable situation.

 

[Kirran]

And in a healthy free society we have to allow rape jokes and criticize them if they are unhealthy. What we cannot do is shut down rape jokes. (Or any other kind of joke.)

Salman Rushdie wrote "The Satanic Verses". It's a comedy, and it jokes about Muhammad. Rushdie has had a fatwa on his head for a couple of decades now. This is simply not a tolerable situation.

What do you mean by allow? I think we need to challenge anything which is perpetuating harmful ideals.

 

[icehorse]

What do you mean by allow? I think we need to challenge anything which is perpetuating harmful ideals.

The folks who I'm currently calling SJWs, I'm calling them that because their approach is to attempt to NOT allow the jokes in the first place.

I'm fine with them debating whomever they want to debate. I'm not okay with them attempting to curtail speech they don't agree with.

 

[Rival]

@icehorse feels so strongly about this issue, he felt the need to post it twice.

 

[Wu Wei]

This is fun!
I'll nominate other people playing roles stolen from authentic actors.....

Linda Hunt (white gal) playing Billy Kwan (Asian man) in Year Of Living Dangerously.....

One of me favorite Oscar winning performances, btw.

But the greatest cultural appropriation criminal of our age is Meryl Streep.....

Ah, but you missed Joel (most definitely not Korean) Grey as Chiun

And much more recently Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One

 

[Revoltingest]

Ah, but you missed Joel (most definitely not Korean) Grey as Chiun

And much more recently Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One

I miss many things.
I expect you to pick up the slack.
Good job, Smokey!

 

[Mister_T]

Summary: This white model did a Vogue photoshoot dressed as a Geisha. SJWs erupted with cries of “cultural appropriation”.

Karlie Kloss 'truly sorry' for geisha photoshoot in 'Vogue'

thoughts?

Being half-Italian, I don't get offended when people dress up as mobsters, Italian chefs, guidos or Super Mario...in fact, I've dressed up as those on several occasions myself.

This just more manufactured outrage from far-left extremists who have to get offended by anything and everything, and want to censor and thought-police others.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

So not only are people you disagree with not entitled to speak; now they aren't even entitled to their thoughts?

Of course they are entitled to their opinions. Yet opinions can be wrong. Did you see the photos? Culturally accurate clothing, facepaint, hair style. She just wasn't Japanese. It was hardly a malicious caricature - which would be the "yellow face" she's being accused of.

SJWs don't actually exist. That is not actually a thing. It's an exonymous slur used for people supporting progressive causes.

Would you prefer "aggressive progressive"? Also do you mean "eponymous"? "Exonymous" isn't a word that I can find anywhere in my OED.

And no, SJW does not refer to progressives. I've never once been referred to as a SJW, despite supporting various progressive sentimentalities. Why? Because SJW's are not progressives. They are those who, rather than challenge ideas or discuss alternatives, attempt to shut down things they disagree with. Accusations like "you can't say/do/think that". There is no progress with them, there is immediate, violent retribution for slights that they perceive. They determine the victims, and they also determine who cannot be victims. Even when these things clearly contradict observable fact. SJW's rewrite history, ignoring things that are "offensive". Unless, of course, it's used to shame people. Yes, SJW's shame people, and often. Because the best way to change anyone's mind is to insult them.

Progressives work towards progress. Educating, discussing, helping. SJW's deny, ignore, repress, and intimidate.

Phrasing it like that paints the picture that people who disagree are disagreeing that we should recognise their reality rather than disagreeing it exists. A somewhat dishonest tactic.

Yes, it is a dishonest tactic. Yet it is what SJW's do. They - to borrow a famous theme - deal in absolutes. Their reality is the only one that matters, and if they bully hard enough it becomes a "social fact."

 

[Augustus]

If I said that black people can't dress up as Vikings I'd be called a racist lol.

"But muuuuum, I wanna be a viking for halloweeeeen"
"No son, only Nordic people can be vikings. You have to be a mighty Zulu warrior. You might really offend some people trick or treating in a culturally inappropriate costume after all. "
"muuuuuummmm, no faiiiir..."

 

[Shad]

Summary: This white model did a Vogue photoshoot dressed as a Geisha. SJWs erupted with cries of “cultural appropriation”.

Karlie Kloss 'truly sorry' for geisha photoshoot in 'Vogue'

thoughts?

The protestors need to get a job or life, maybe both.

 

[Shad]

"But muuuuum, I wanna be a viking for halloweeeeen"
"No son, only Nordic people can be vikings. You have to be a mighty Zulu warrior. You might really offend some people trick or treating in a culturally inappropriate costume after all. "
"muuuuuummmm, no faiiiir..."

Hmmm So does that mean SJW can still dress up as brain-dead zombies?

 

[Rival]

Hmmm So does that mean SJW can still dress up as brain-dead zombies?

What do you mean 'dress up'?

 

[Shad]

What do you mean 'dress up'?

Sorry it was in response to Augustus' point about Halloween costumes.

 

[Shad]

What do you mean 'dress up'?

Let be honest SJW's parents dress them better than zombies are dressed.