Model Karlie Kross runs afoul of SJWs !

[Rival]

Sorry it was in response to Augustus' point about Halloween costumes.

I know. I was joking.

 

[Shad]

I know. I was joking.

I responded to the joke, go back a page

 

[Augustus]

Let be honest SJW's parents dress them better than zombies are dressed.

Classist post imo.

Mocking zombies who are from a lower socio-economic background.

Shame! Check your privilege!

 

[Rival]

Classist post imo.

Mocking zombies who are from a lower socio-economic background.

Shame! Check your privilege!

You're a white male, so I think you have no place telling people to check privilege.

 

[Augustus]

You're a white male, so I think you have no place telling people to check privilege.

FAKE NEWS!

I actually self-identify as whatever oppressed triple-minority best fits the current zeitgeist. Being oppressed on multiple fronts boosts my social standing, allows me to take the moral highground at all times and means that nobody can criticise me without being part of the racist patriarchy.

This is some of my more recent work...

 

[Kirran]

Being half-Italian, I don't get offended when people dress up as mobsters, Italian chefs, guidos or Super Mario...in fact, I've dressed up as those on several occasions myself.

This just more manufactured outrage from far-left extremists who have to get offended by anything and everything, and want to censor and thought-police others.

In what way are they at all leftist?

Would you prefer "aggressive progressive"? Also do you mean "eponymous"? "Exonymous" isn't a word that I can find anywhere in my OED.

Exonym and endonym - Wikipedia

And no, SJW does not refer to progressives. I've never once been referred to as a SJW, despite supporting various progressive sentimentalities. Why? Because SJW's are not progressives. They are those who, rather than challenge ideas or discuss alternatives, attempt to shut down things they disagree with. Accusations like "you can't say/do/think that". There is no progress with them, there is immediate, violent retribution for slights that they perceive. They determine the victims, and they also determine who cannot be victims. Even when these things clearly contradict observable fact. SJW's rewrite history, ignoring things that are "offensive". Unless, of course, it's used to shame people. Yes, SJW's shame people, and often. Because the best way to change anyone's mind is to insult them.

Yes, it is a dishonest tactic. Yet it is what SJW's do. They - to borrow a famous theme - deal in absolutes. Their reality is the only one that matters, and if they bully hard enough it becomes a "social fact."

Again, SJWs are a made-up category. They don't exist as some discrete group, they aren't a self-identified movement. It's this fabricated group that mostly-anti-progressive people have constructed to refer to people who they judge to be too sensitive. We've already seen in this thread how people have very different ideas about who would be put into that group. Some people seem to think that it's about rioting and objection to people voicing their views, some people think it's about such widespread ideas as the recognition of rape culture.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

SJWs are a made-up category.

And yet their actions are observable. I do agree, though, that they are not discrete--not in the slightest.

We've already seen in this thread how people have very different ideas about who would be put into that group. Some people seem to think that it's about rioting and objection to people voicing their views, some people think it's about such widespread ideas as the recognition of rape culture.

I don't think anyone has said that it is solely objection; it is shutting down what is objected to. Rioting and threatening a speaker who you don't like, forcing them to cancel their event. Forcing the resignation of a teacher because he mentioned something that "triggered", or used a historically accurate display or prop that's been retroactively deemed "offensive". And though I didn't want to touch it with a twenty foot pole, yeah, I agree with what Rival said about "rape culture"; it is a tool of SJW's. How?

"Rape culture" itself victimizes women. It is not just "joking" about rape, it's the social orientation where young women are told that a certain percentage of them will be raped; accepting it as an inevitability, and instilling fear in a young generation that grows and festers until it becomes a disease. It is sexist, but in that it is unbalanced and hyper-focused to the point of being one-sided. You said that rape is fuelled by misogyny; what about rape against men? Jokes are told frequently about men getting "pounded" in prison, and nobody cries for social justice on that.

Why? Because in a very typical SJW fashion, "rape culture" decides who the victims are, and they're "minorities". Only women compose 51% of the US population, so read that as "the socially oppressed". And does anything that SJW's do help them? No, it affirms their victim status. It's awareness for the crime of rape, rather than identifying violent, controlling individuals is to instill fear in women alone with the affirmation that they're going to be raped. It lowers them to a statistic.

Quite similar to what's happened with this model, and those before her. Were any Japanese offended? It certainly doesn't seem that way, we only see white people - who I would guess are the "self-guilt" type - determining that what Kross did was offensive and "culturally insensitive". And she has very likely seen what happens to celebrities who defy the mob; I don't believe for a second that her apology came from genuine remorse for her actions.

SJW's exist, regardless of ethnicity, religion, or age. That's why there's no person to demonize. Only a harmful, oppressive ideology that hides behind progressivism.

 

[Kirran]

And yet their actions are observable. I do agree, though, that they are not discrete--not in the slightest.

Whose? It's not a group.

Perhaps you are getting mixed up with 'discreet'.

I don't think anyone has said that it is solely objection; it is shutting down what is objected to. Rioting and threatening a speaker who you don't like, forcing them to cancel their event. Forcing the resignation of a teacher because he mentioned something that "triggered", or used a historically accurate display or prop that's been retroactively deemed "offensive". And though I didn't want to touch it with a twenty foot pole, yeah, I agree with what Rival said about "rape culture"; it is a tool of SJW's. How?

"Rape culture" itself victimizes women. It is not just "joking" about rape, it's the social orientation where young women are told that a certain percentage of them will be raped; accepting it as an inevitability, and instilling fear in a young generation that grows and festers until it becomes a disease. It is sexist, but in that it is unbalanced and hyper-focused to the point of being one-sided. You said that rape is fuelled by misogyny; what about rape against men? Jokes are told frequently about men getting "pounded" in prison, and nobody cries for social justice on that.

Why? Because in a very typical SJW fashion, "rape culture" decides who the victims are, and they're "minorities". Only women compose 51% of the US population, so read that as "the socially oppressed". And does anything that SJW's do help them? No, it affirms their victim status. It's awareness for the crime of rape, rather than identifying violent, controlling individuals is to instill fear in women alone with the affirmation that they're going to be raped. It lowers them to a statistic.

Quite similar to what's happened with this model, and those before her. Were any Japanese offended? It certainly doesn't seem that way, we only see white people - who I would guess are the "self-guilt" type - determining that what Kross did was offensive and "culturally insensitive". And she has very likely seen what happens to celebrities who defy the mob; I don't believe for a second that her apology came from genuine remorse for her actions.

SJW's exist, regardless of ethnicity, religion, or age. That's why there's no person to demonize. Only a harmful, oppressive ideology that hides behind progressivism.

Nope, rape culture isn't about telling young women that a certain percentage of them are gonna get raped. I agree entirely that jokes about rape in prison are similarly bad.

None of this accurately typifies what the assessment of rape culture is about whatsoever. It's the widespread lack of respect for women's bodily autonomy. That is rape culture.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Perhaps you are getting mixed up with 'discreet'.

Yes, I was; thank you for pointing that out. However I still agree. They aren't a group like a campus club, or a political party - not yet, at least. They are a mob, inconspicuous until incited. But when that happens, you see things like what happened at Berkley.

Nope, rape culture isn't about telling young women that a certain percentage of them are gonna get raped.

I disagree. I will say that such isn't the extent of it, but I would certainly argue that it's the genesis of it all. It's a poor, lopsided address to the occurrence of rape that instead instills fear and paranoia.

I agree entirely that jokes about rape in prison are similarly bad.

So why doesn't society do anything about it? Where's the social justice for them?

None of this accurately typifies what the assessment of rape culture is about whatsoever. It's the widespread lack of respect for women's bodily autonomy. That is rape culture.

Men are raped, this is a fact. Yet "rape culture" never seems to address this. It has determined the victims, damned be the counter-evidence, and is enforced with typical SJW zeal. I have even seen it argued (more like accused) that men can't be raped, that they enjoyed it. As though the presence of physical stimulation is evidence of desire.

The word is shocking - Rape Culture! - and immediately assigns blame, demands guilt, and allows for these with impunity with the assumption that no one will argue against something so heinous as rape. It victimizes and belittles the very demographic that it seems to protect, and terrorizes those that it accuses.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hmmm So does that mean SJW can still dress up as brain-dead zombies?

No, the "living impaired" (as they prefer to be called) consider such cosplay a micro-aggression.

 

[Kirran]

Yes, I was; thank you for pointing that out. However I still agree. They aren't a group like a campus club, or a political party - not yet, at least. They are a mob, inconspicuous until incited. But when that happens, you see things like what happened at Berkley.

As a slanderous exonym, I am just inclined to doubt the existence of the group it labels due to a lack of evidence.

I disagree. I will say that such isn't the extent of it, but I would certainly argue that it's the genesis of it all. It's a poor, lopsided address to the occurrence of rape that instead instills fear and paranoia.

From my perspective this is simply a massive misrepresentation.

So why doesn't society do anything about it? Where's the social justice for them?

You don't think anybody is trying to do anything about it?

Men are raped, this is a fact. Yet "rape culture" never seems to address this. It has determined the victims, damned be the counter-evidence, and is enforced with typical SJW zeal. I have even seen it argued (more like accused) that men can't be raped, that they enjoyed it. As though the presence of physical stimulation is evidence of desire.

The word is shocking - Rape Culture! - and immediately assigns blame, demands guilt, and allows for these with impunity with the assumption that no one will argue against something so heinous as rape. It victimizes and belittles the very demographic that it seems to protect, and terrorizes those that it accuses.

I disagree with almost all of this. When we talk about rape culture, we're talking about the normalisation of rape due to our ingrained ideas about what sexuality and so on are about. A good friend of mine was raped several times in a domestic setting, and most of her friends, when hearing about it, were like 'Yeah, that's just normal'. THAT is rape culture.

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, SJWs are a made-up category. They don't exist as some discrete group, they aren't a self-identified movement.

This doesn't make the term meaningless.
After all, many groups are defined & labelled by foes, eg, "racists", "rednecks", "privileged whites", "feminazis",
"rape apologists", "WASPs", "right wingers", "left wingers", "arch conservatives", "misogynists", "misandrists".
Such terms can be used as insults, & can offend, but they do have some cromulence.
Anyone who objects to "SJW", should eschew all other such terms....for consistency.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

As a slanderous exonym, I am just inclined to doubt the existence of the group it labels due to a lack of evidence.

I presented several instances of evidence a while back.

You don't think anybody is trying to do anything about it?

No, I don't. Sure, a teacher who has sex with her students might be arrested and charged, but do you know what the comments always are, even from women? "Nice..."

When we talk about rape culture, we're talking about the normalisation of rape due to our ingrained ideas about what sexuality and so on are about. A good friend of mine was raped several times in a domestic setting, and most of her friends, when hearing about it, were like 'Yeah, that's just normal'. THAT is rape culture.

Yes, that would be a normalization of rape. That would be an apt - and frankly horrible - instance of a "rape culture". But what "rape culture" is not is a man finding a woman attractive. "Cat calling", while obnoxious, does not indicate the intent to rape. (And no, obscene, graphic statements of intent is not "cat-calling"; that is harassment or verbal assault.) "Rape Culture", while built on factual crimes, takes it too far and applies it to the truly and factually mundane, to perpetuate victimhood and demonize the "offending". Which is SJW tactics to a T.

 

[Kirran]

This doesn't make the term meaningless.
After all, many groups are defined & labelled by foes, eg, "racists", "rednecks", "privileged whites", "feminazis",
"rape apologists", "WASPs", "right wingers", "left wingers", "arch conservatives", "misogynists", "misandrists".
Such terms can be used as insults, & can offend, but they do have some cromulence.
Anyone who objects to "SJW", should eschew all other such terms....for consistency.

Some of those terms I would certainly eschew, some are quite simple descriptors based on individual traits. SJW is a fuzzy concept as it is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some of those terms I would certainly eschew, some are quite simple descriptors based on individual traits. SJW is a fuzzy concept as it is.

All are fuzzy.
But if you ever use some, then you understand why we use "SJW".

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

SJW is actually quite descriptive. It is those who treat the matter of social justice as a literal "war", and likewise declare war on those they deem offensive. Hence the moniker "warrior". Rather than discuss - as we are here - they resort to hate and yelling. Accusations and shame tactics. As I likened them to terrorists towards the beginning, so they behave.

 

[Mister_T]

In what way are they at all leftist?

Because that's what they blantantly identify as?

 

[Kirran]

I presented several instances of evidence a while back.

Well you mentioned various people and indicated that you used the label SJW on them.

No, I don't. Sure, a teacher who has sex with her students might be arrested and charged, but do you know what the comments always are, even from women? "Nice..."

Yeah, and that's a strong example of rape culture. Ideas about gender and sexuality, in this example relating in particular to toxic masculinity, contribute to rape of men, and victim-shaming of people of both genders. I am totally on board with you that we need to be talking about that side of things more, but that's because we just aren't looking broadly enough at what rape culture is, because feminism isn't being expressed enough, in my view.

Yes, that would be a normalization of rape. That would be an apt - and frankly horrible - instance of a "rape culture". But what "rape culture" is not is a man finding a woman attractive. "Cat calling", while obnoxious, does not indicate the intent to rape. (And no, obscene, graphic statements of intent is not "cat-calling"; that is harassment or verbal assault.) "Rape Culture", while built on factual crimes, takes it too far and applies it to the truly and factually mundane, to perpetuate victimhood and demonize the "offending". Which is SJW tactics to a T.

So we are more arguing about how far rape culture extends, rather than that it exists. I think that's good, we do have some common ground here.

Finding a woman attractive is not rape culture, I agree. Some ways of expressing that opinion are. Cat calling is harassment and is sexual objectification, part of the general backdrop of rape culture.

SJW is actually quite descriptive. It is those who treat the matter of social justice as a literal "war", and likewise declare war on those they deem offensive. Hence the moniker "warrior". Rather than discuss - as we are here - they resort to hate and yelling. Accusations and shame tactics. As I likened them to terrorists towards the beginning, so they behave.

I would say that MLK fought for social justice. The Suffragettes were incredibly similar in their tactics, rhetoric and methods to the more villified among modern progressives.

Because that's what they blantantly identify as?

But what leftist policies do they, as a movement, promote? I think they're socially progressive liberals, rather than being left wing. Although no doubt many leftists are also socially progressive.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Well you mentioned various people and indicated that you used the label SJW on them.

The hyperlinks. They lead to stories of SJW "justice"; such as Milo's lectures being shut down, or the death threats against him. And a teacher being fired because he dared to mention that though he disagrees with abortion, it is a legal right. In a class about law, no less. Also the firing of a teacher who had the gall to show a "Confederate flag" during a class on the Civil War.

Even now, there's talk to rename Calhoun College because the former vice president was "a racist white supremacist." This is the difference: progressives recognize that American slavery was bad and wrong (by today's standards) and endeavor to stamp it out. Ashton Kutcher just won a huge - pardon me - YUGE win against human trafficking - a form of modern slavery - in America. I applaud him greatly for that; such an action is the very pinnacle of Progressive Activism.

But I would never dare to call him an SJW. Why? Because - to my knowledge - he doesn't try to erase, rewrite, or ignore history, as SJW's do with this particular subject. They would rather pretend like it all never happened, refuse to acknowledge it, and they naïvely think that will make it go away. They twist facts to support their endeavors, moving on from Political Correctness to Historical Correctness. A final example.

They often quote John C. Calhoun in their campaign against his memory, backing up their erasure of him with a quote: "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races... [nor] in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. While they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

The only problem is that the above quote was said by President Abraham Lincoln. But facts - much less facts that tarnish the Great Emancipator - don't matter to SJW's.

Yeah, and that's a strong example of rape culture. Ideas about gender and sexuality, in this example relating in particular to toxic masculinity, contribute to rape of men, and victim-shaming of people of both genders. I am totally on board with you that we need to be talking about that side of things more, but that's because we just aren't looking broadly enough at what rape culture is, because feminism isn't being expressed enough, in my view.

This doesn't track for me, at all. How is women raping young boys the effect of "toxic masculinity"? How is feminism going to help that? Why is masculinity the problem, and feminism the solution? That just throws oil on the fire.

So we are more arguing about how far rape culture extends, rather than that it exists.

Essentially, yes. I do not doubt that there is a "rape culture," but I argue that it is a culture that pertains to actual rape. Not five second stares at exposed cleavage, or chiseled abs, or calling someone "hot." I would agree that rape culture is lewd talk such as what someone would do to someone else they find attractive (and obviously, taking it too far; not stuff like taking them on a date.) It is excusing rape or blaming the victim. It is saying "nice" when an attractive female teacher rapes a younger male student.

And I would say that it is also women lying about being raped - actually lying, there have been several cases of it - summarily ruining the accused lives.

It is a problem, but the solution to it is not, I feel, breeding fear and paranoia through misidentification.

I would say that MLK fought for social justice.

I would too, but I would not ever call him a Social Justice Warrior. Neither did their tactics and rhetoric match SJW's. The Civil Rights movement, and MLK, spoke with their opposition. They went about things calmly, civilly. They didn't demonize white people, but instead called them "brothers and sisters". They strove for unity, not forced tolerance. If anyone in that era, Malcom X would have been an SJW.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news....
Publishers are hiring 'sensitivity readers' to flag potentially offensive content
It seems that SJWs & special snowflakes have spawned a new profession....the sensitivity reader!