Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[Tiberius]

As usual dad, you do not understand how radioactive decay proves you wrong. If the laws were different in the past, then there is no reason why two different materials should decay at the same rate relative to each other in a DSP. Thus, we should see ratios between parent and daughter materials that are different to what the current rates of decay should indicate.

Now, at this point, you usually try to argue that there was already some of the daughter material present, but this fails on two counts.

First, the daughter material decays as well in many cases, so even if there was a certain amount present, it would no longer be in the right amounts. You can argue that there was more of the daughter material, but then we should be finding more of what the daughter material decays into, and that is not what we find.

Secondly, even if we discount the previous point, what are the chances that EVERY SINGLE place where we find radioactive decay has EXACTLY THE RIGHT AMOUNT of daughter material to make it look like all the decay happened in a present state? Such an amazing coincidence!

 

[dad1]

The bible is only evidence as a work of literature, like when it was written, by whom, the existing texts like the sources (Septuagint, Masoretic Text, Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Torah, Vulgate, Targum, etc) for translations, and so on.

Only the bible predicted all the major western world powers long before they existed. Only the bible has most of it's prophesies now history.

But the contents within the bible, like the stories (creation, flood, Abraham, Moses, David, etc) are not themselves “evidence”.

The prophesies and historical veracity of the bible mean that it all can be trusted.

Evidences are like having the stone tablet of the Ten Commandments or the staff of Aaron...which you don’t have. Or the wreckage of Noah's Ark...which, again, you don’t have. Or the gold calf made by Aaron. Or pieces of idols said to be destroyed by Elijah.

Hey, you don't have last week either. The folks in the bible were a long succession of people mostly from Israel, that kept the record as sacred and very very very very carefully. You would not have gone to scribes 2500 years ago and told them Jeremiah or Moses never lived! To look back now, and take the attitude that only what we see under our nose really existed is ignorant.

In the Old Testament, the only independent sources that are verify anything is to some of the kings’ reigns and the wars they involved in.

I accept it all because Jesus is alive and saved me and is a real presence in life. I also looked into prophesy. I do not look to pagan kings of old or rather, to what modern so called science devotees can find. They have found more than enough over history!

Examples, the war between Ahaz (735 - 715 BCE) and the alliance of Pekah (736 - 731 BCE) and Rezin of Aram, and the Assyrian record of Tiglath-Pileser III (744 - 727 BCE) of getting involved.

Biblical sources - 2 Kings 15 and 16:5-10 and Isaiah 7 & 8 - alone don’t make history. Assyrian records do not mention anything about the prophet Isaiah, supposedly contemporary of Ahaz, so there are no way to verify anything regarding to Isaiah’s signs in Isaiah 7 & 8.

So what? Isaiah was a prophet of God in Israel. Not some socialite of Assyria!

History is only verified when you have sources outside of the Old Testament, as in the case with recorded history in collection of tablets of the Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles (ABC). We have written records in Nineveh, Assyria and in Babylon, Babylonia, regarding to Tiglath-Pileser III, his conquests in Babylonia, Aram (Syria), Israel.

We also have Assyrian records of Pekah’s predecessor, whom Tiglath-Pileser forced Menahem of Israel to pay annual tributes in 738 BCE.

I always find archaeological evidences to be more reliable than written history, because history can be one-sided or biased. And the only ways to have reliable written records is to have as many multiple sources as possible.

But the best way to verify any historical event, when you have both evidences and multiple sources of written historical records.

No. The best way to verify it is to know the Author.

As to Genesis and other stories:

• Creation...unverified and debunked.
• Eden...unverified and debunked.
• Tower of Babel...unverified and debunked.
• Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...unverified and debunked.
• Moses and Exodus...unverified and debunked.
• Joshua and invasion of Canaan...unverified and debunked.

Claiming you debunked Eden and such things is patently ridiculous. You have debunked nothing. You have coddled a pregnancy of doubts.

And lastly, who give the rat’s a## what Revelation say about the Ark, since it is nothing more than a madman’s incoherent allegories.

The prophesies of the bible are woven together in an artful powerhouse of cohesion unrivaled in all the world. Not to be aware of this and speak fearfully and reverently about it merely shows an abysmal lack of awareness of the absolutely incredible armada of amazingness that is bile prophesy.

 

[dad1]

dad, you are simply charging others with your sins. Since your posts here depend upon the science that you refuse to understand that makes your actions here highly hypocritical. Why are not not writing on papyrus and hand delivering your notes?

No post I have ever made depends on the fables or same state past preached by the so called science wizards of confusion.

 

[Tiberius]

You claim that there was decay in the former nature??? Ha. Proof? Let us hope you are not merely looking at the present nature and the decay here and trying to make it responsible for all the ratios!?

The proof is that if there was only decay in the last few thousand years, we would be unable to account for there being parent and daughter materials in the ratios that we find!

Great. If what you say is true, show us something that would not be here from 4300 years ago!!!!!!!!? I can hardly think of any isotope that short lived that even matters in the creation debate?

Wow, I imagine you yelling this and getting very red in the face.

Nevertheless, the fact that you even need to ask shows without any doubt that you don't understand the first thing about radiodating methods.

100%!! You see it only looks that way if you start off believing in a same state past that also had decay. Otherwise, all it looks like is nice little innocent isotopes.

Yeah, it's all a BIG COINCIDENCE, isn't it, dad? You go ahead and tell yourself that.

 

[Tiberius]

No post I have ever made depends on the fables or same state past preached by the so called science wizards of confusion.

"My position doesn't depend on fables!" cries the guy who only has the Bible to support his position.

 

[Tiberius]

I was banned for years off and on, and finally overruled the current mod there by posting despite their demonstrated power tripping attempt with a friend's account. I could of course post there anytime if I wanted, under other names, but had decided to cut them off.

There comes a time to move on. I used to post on EVC but the moderation there was unfit also. I did like Christian forums and the old moderation there. In the last year or more it seems that the Catholic unbelieving spirit about creation crept in and took over.

Oh, give it up. My gf is a mod there, and she showed me how you and your "friend" had the same IP address. Time was your sock puppet. You're not fooling anyone.

Oh, and that "I could post there anytime" bit is tired too. You don't have any other accounts there. Stop trying to show off.

 

[dad1]

The proof is that if there was only decay in the last few thousand years, we would be unable to account for there being parent and daughter materials in the ratios that we find!

ONLY IF the decay was responsible for all the material/isotopes we have. Proof? Seems to me you just attribute the ratios TO decay because they now come about that way.

Nevertheless, the fact that you even need to ask shows without any doubt that you don't understand the first thing about radiodating methods.

Why pretend? You had every opportunity to try and demonstrate clearly that whatever isotopes you claim HAD to be produced in this state actually were. Yet we see nothing but pretentious platitudes.

Yeah, it's all a BIG COINCIDENCE, isn't it, dad? You go ahead and tell yourself that.

?? No. It is certain that the patterns would be as the are, no coincidence at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only the bible predicted all the major western world powers long before they existed. Only the bible has most of it's prophesies now history.

Nope, now you are merely reinterpreting the Bible after the fact. You are tying to make it no better than a "prophecy" of Nostradamus

The prophesies and historical veracity of the bible mean that it all can be trusted.

Really? Then why can't you name one? Remember, you can't change it after the fact to make it match up to reality.

Hey, you don't have last week either. The folks in the bible were a long succession of people mostly from Israel, that kept the record as sacred and very very very very carefully. You would not have gone to scribes 2500 years ago and told them Jeremiah or Moses never lived! To look back now, and take the attitude that only what we see under our nose really existed is ignorant.

No, it is merely a book of myths and most of it is far younger than you think that it is. Time travel is impossible so of course we would not go back. But if there was a way to bring them here of course we would correct the poor ignorant people of the past.

Guess what, we would also tell them that the Earth is a sphere.

I accept it all because Jesus is alive and saved me and is a real presence in life. I also looked into prophesy. I do not look to pagan kings of old or rather, to what modern so called science devotees can find. They have found more than enough over history!

Then why can't you follow his teachings at all? And why do you use the science that you deny? You should be limiting yourself to handwritten papyrus.

So what? Isaiah was a prophet of God in Israel. Not some socialite of Assyria!

What makes you think that?

No. The best way to verify it is to know the Author.

No, if the author is ignorant knowing him will be of no help at all.

Claiming you debunked Eden and such things is patently ridiculous. You have debunked nothing. You have coddled a pregnancy of doubts.

Your inability to understand or to be honest enough to face reality does not mean that an event has not happened.

The prophesies of the bible are woven together in an artful powerhouse of cohesion unrivaled in all the world. Not to be aware of this and speak fearfully and reverently about it merely shows an abysmal lack of awareness of the absolutely incredible armada of amazingness that is bile prophesy.

No, people make up "prophecies" that are not prophecies. It is why the Jews could see that the Jesus of the Bible was not the messiah. If you look at your Bible it fails time and time again. Or have you forgotten the Tyre prophecy again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No post I have ever made depends on the fables or same state past preached by the so called science wizards of confusion.

dad, if you can't follow the Bible how do you expect to get to heaven?

 

[dad1]

Oh, give it up. My gf is a mod there, and she showed me how you and your "friend" had the same IP address. Time was your sock puppet. You're not fooling anyone.

Oh, and that "I could post there anytime" bit is tired too. You don't have any other accounts there. Stop trying to show off.

Yes, I can post wherever I like, you kidding? You really think it is hard to mask an address??? If I was concerned about using an account from my IP that I knew the password for, you think I would have done so?? You really should stop assuming you are clever and others are dumb. I used the other account I had access to deliberately, and without some attempt to hide the trail. The reason is because of people like your girlfriend.


I was barred from a certain area of the forum for no reason other than a supposed dislike for my style. Since I had posted there for several years that was a crock.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I can post wherever I like, you kidding? You really think it is hard to mask an address??? If I was concerned about using an account from my IP that I knew the password for, you think I would have done so?? You really should stop assuming you are clever and others are dumb. I used the other account I had access to deliberately, and without some attempt to hide the trail. The reason is because of people like your girlfriend.


I was barred from a certain area of the forum for no reason other than a supposed dislike for my style. Since I had posted there for several years that was a crock.

Just think you could be the new "Proconsul" but on the creation side.

 

[dad1]

Nope, now you are merely reinterpreting the Bible after the fact. You are tying to make it no better than a "prophecy" of Nostradamus.

100% accurate beats Nostradamus...sorry.

Time travel is impossible so of course we would not go back.

To science...yes.

Guess what, we would also tell them that the Earth is a sphere.

Maybe you could tell them you thought they thought it was flat!

No, if the author is ignorant knowing him will be of no help at all.

Since He proved He was God, calling Him ignorant is blasphemy. I don't think this forum is so friendly to folks who do that.

No, people make up "prophecies" that are not prophecies. It is why the Jews could see that the Jesus of the Bible was not the messiah. If you look at your Bible it fails time and time again. Or have you forgotten the Tyre prophecy again?

The ones that knew Scripture and God did.

 

[Subduction Zone]

100% accurate beats Nostradamus...sorry.

But it isn't. You lose again. You have to change the Bible to make it fit.

Maybe you could tell them you thought they thought it was flat!

Many of them did. I can see that you have not read or understood the Bible.

Since He proved He was God, calling Him ignorant is blasphemy. I don't think this forum is so friendly to folks who do that.

Nope, that never happened. And you should read it some day. He stated more than once that he was not God.

The ones that knew Scripture and God did.

Nope, they were only delusional at best.

 

[Valjean]

TOO BAD YOU HAVE NO FACTS WHATSOEVER FOR YOUR BELIEFS THAT ARE USED BY SCIENCE IN ALL PAST MODELS EH?

What evidence would you consider factual, and how would you evaluate its validity?

100% accurate beats Nostradamus...sorry.

But the Bible's full of inaccuracies and contradictions. How do you account for those?

 

[Darkstorn]

I was barred from a certain area of the forum for no reason other than a supposed dislike for my style. Since I had posted there for several years that was a crock.

You were barred for people disliking your style?!

You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that you're the type of person who keeps saying "i'll do whatever i want" and then brags about how awesome they are at circumventing forum bans?

I'm guessing you got banned for breaking the forum rules of that forum multiple times, which you admitted openly without even realizing it.

I used to post on EVC but the moderation there was unfit also

I hope this place will satisfy your holiness' high standards. When you get banned from forums, it's because the moderation is unfit. Got it.

Your personality is just downright lovely.

 

[ChristineM]

TOO BAD YOU HAVE NO FACTS WHATSOEVER FOR YOUR BELIEFS THAT ARE USED BY SCIENCE IN ALL PAST MODELS EH?

Talk about projection!!! Wow.

Btw, shouting makes no difference to facts.

Actually my beliefs are based on fact and scientific evidence. Unlike yours which are based on bronze age mythology and 4th century ploys to control the masses through religion.

You will of course be aware that i have provided links to facys that you have chosen to ignore

 

[ChristineM]

When our eyes are opened as Jesus opened the eyes of those after He rose from the dead, about what the Psalms and Prophets and etc really were talking about, we find out it was all about Him. I kid you not.

So prove it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If you deny the demonstrated record of the bible, fine. There is no demonstrated record of science knowin what nature existed on earth in the past. Your one option becomes remaining ignorant of the matter.

Or, looking at the evidence we DO have, like by studying archaeology and geology.

The belief they base all modesl of the past on, that is that the nature and laws were the same as now.

Which is based on the overwhelming evidence.

Blessed are they that believe having not seen. We heard. We heard from a plethora of virtuous people who gave their lives to seal in blood that the record was true. We also have the means to test it by trying it today. It works.

So you have no idea what happened in the past, but because you have records of what happened and can test for it TODAY and it works, that means it must have been a true account of the past.

Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Maybe pray to them then. See how that works.

Lots of people pray to lots of different supposed Gods.

Oh, and hopefully the supposed resurectees have hundreds of exact predictions about their lives written and preserved for many centuries also.

Why should that matter? Stories are not always factual.

Add to that hundreds of people who witnessed it and died to verify it was true.

There are no first-hand accounts of witnesses of the resurrection or death of Jesus.

 

[Darkstorn]

So you have no idea what happened in the past, but because you can test for it TODAY and it works, that means it must have been a true account of the past.

Do you not see the obvious hypocrisy?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

There are no first-hand accounts of witnesses of the resurrection or death of Jesus.

Even if there were, that was in the past, right?