Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[Altfish]

Maybe pray to them then. See how that works.

Well it would be just as effective as praying to your god or any other god.

Oh, and hopefully the supposed resurectees have hundreds of exact predictions about their lives written and preserved for many centuries also. Add to that hundreds of people who witnessed it and died to verify it was true.

We wait.

Exact predictions - rubbish; there are no exact predictions.
How many died verifying David Koresh was true? 80+ if I remember correctly.
Following resurrected people and dying for them is not unusual.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And your evidence JC actually existed as described in the nt is?

As i have already stated, I've seen his father's gravestone. according to Hebrew law (and they were there at the time, the NT compilers weren't) jcs father was a roman soldier. Is you god an ex roman soldier?

Has anyone any evidence of the tablets containing the 10 commandments existing. Certainly not the Hebrews who are said this magic happened to. In fact Hebrew writing gives it as 13 commandments in the text. And looking deeper there are as many as 613.

Sorry, the bible is not a credible source when there is so much contradictory evidence that actually exists

Actually there are a Ten Commandments in the Bible, provided they are reasonably defined. I don't think any Christian will disagree with the claim that the Commandments were:

1) Laws given to Moses by God.

2) Carved into stone.

3) And called the "Ten Commandments" in the Bible.

Before I go on does anyone object? If so why?

 

[ChristineM]

Did you buy a bridge too?

Interesting that you deny the works your Bible is based on.

There is physical evidence, can you say the same about your dreams?

 

[ChristineM]

Actually there are a Ten Commandments in the Bible, provided they are reasonably defined. I don't think any Christian will disagree with the claim that the Commandments were:

1) Laws given to Moses by God.

2) Carved into stone.

3) And called the "Ten Commandments" in the Bible.

Before I go on does anyone object? If so why?

My problem with this the 100% lack of evidence that any god exists yet alone actually did anything. And that the bible cannot be used as a reference for anything more than claims of faith without confirmatory evidence.

The disappearance of said, extremely important and revered stones.

Yes they are called the 10 commandments, my contention was that Hebrew sources give those claimed stones containing 13.

 

[dad1]

I see that you are still trying to shift the burden of proof. That is a tacit indication that you know that you are wrong. And the evidence has been given to you. You simply ignore it.

Tell me, what sort of evidence would convince you? Please be specific. People will be able to see if you are being realistic or not by your response.

How about any evidence at all? So far it is just a belief offered.

How did the laws and forces in the days after creation and till around the time of Noah work on DNA, atoms, and molecules, and even quantum mechanics? Was gravity the same exactly and was there any other forces around then that we do not have now? How would you know?

You want to talk about the far universe now? Well, we do not even know if time as we know it exists there. So how could we say light took a long time to get here?

 

[Subduction Zone]

My problem with this the 100% lack of evidence that any god exists yet alone actually did anything. And that the bible cannot be used as a reference for anything more than claims of faith without confirmatory evidence.

The disappearance of said, extremely important and revered stones.

Yes they are called the 10 commandments, my contention was that Hebrew sources give those claimed stones containing 13.

I know, but bear with me. You seem to be fairly knowledgeable about the Bible. So here is a simple quiz. Using my more than reasonable definition of the Ten Commandments in light of the incredibly number of Ten Commandments around my country, what does the Tenth Commandment ban:

1) Lying

2) Stealing

3) Coveting

4) Cheeseburgers (sorry, I ran out of bans).

 

[dad1]

My problem with this the 100% lack of evidence that any god exists yet alone actually did anything. And that the bible cannot be used as a reference for anything more than claims of faith without confirmatory evidence.

The disappearance of said, extremely important and revered stones.

Yes they are called the 10 commandments, my contention was that Hebrew sources give those claimed stones containing 13.

Hey, I suspect they are safe in the ark in heaven as we speak! After all, Jesus is safe there also. Now.

 

[dad1]

Interesting that you deny the works your Bible is based on.

There is physical evidence, can you say the same about your dreams?

? Not sure what you thought the bible was based on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How about any evidence at all? So far it is just a belief offered.

How did the laws and forces in the days after creation and till around the time of Noah work on DNA, atoms, and molecules, and even quantum mechanics? Was gravity the same exactly and was there any other forces around then that we do not have now? How would you know?

You want to talk about the far universe now? Well, we do not even know if time as we know it exists there. So how could we say light took a long time to get here?

You need to ask proper questions dad. If you want to claim that there was a "creation" you put the burden of proof upon you. Ask a proper question without any unsupported assumptions in it and I will answer it for you. If you ask a dishonest question I will explain to you what is wrong with your question.

By the way, would you care to take the quiz that I gave to Christine? I think that you took it once before and failed. Would you care to try again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

? Not sure what you thought the bible was based on.

We know what the Bible is based upon. I doubt if you do.

 

[dad1]

Well it would be just as effective as praying to your god or any other god.

Elijah proved that wrong. The other gods couldn't get bone dry wood with kindling to ignite in the hot sun all day, despite cutting themselves and generally prancing around in a demonic frenzy. Elijah asked for a bit wet log and burned it into oblivion as well as the surrounding area. Tested.

Exact predictions - rubbish; there are no exact predictions.
How many died verifying David Koresh was true? 80+ if I remember correctly.
Following resurrected people and dying for them is not unusual.

Bethlehem virgin birth. Happy Christmas in 2017!

 

[dad1]

You need to ask proper questions dad. If you want to claim that there was a "creation" you put the burden of proof upon you.

You claim no creation. Whatever one starts out believing, science can't help either way. If you claim more than a belief then you must bear that burden.

Once we realize it is just belief, and not science, we enter the realm of beliefs, and in that realm, the bile and Jesus do well, thank you very much.

By the way, would you care to take the quiz that I gave to Christine? I think that you took it once before and failed. Would you care to try again?

I look at the commandments as great advice that is for our best interest and happiness. The thing is that in our fallen state of sin, no one can keep the darn things. We cannot save ourselves or be good. Jesus fixed all that. So now the only law is love...God and others. Our life becomes a work in progress, leading to a more perfect eternal life. It is not obeying the commandments that ever saved anyone, and no one really even obeyed them. They just served as a demo to show we needed more.

 

[dad1]

We know what the Bible is based upon. I doubt if you do.

Jesus, of course.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Elijah proved that wrong. The other gods couldn't get bone dry wood with kindling to ignite in the hot sun all day, despite cutting themselves and generally prancing around in a demonic frenzy. Elijah asked for a bit wet log and burned it into oblivion as well as the surrounding area. Tested.

Bethlehem virgin birth. Happy Christmas in 2017!

Religious story books often have tales of how their god beat the god of another religion. That is not evidence. And virgin birth myths are a dime a dozen. This may help you:

Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. - Richard Carrier

Now one may take all of the mythological stories about Jesus and say that it was unique, to which the appropriate answer is "So what?" If I took all of the mythological stories about almost any mythical being it would be unique to that being. Yes, certain elements, such as a virgin birth, coming back from the dead, are rather popular. So is extreme strength. Extreme speed. Think up any "super power" and you will probably find it in more than one mythical being.

Do you have anything that actually supports your claims?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You claim no creation. Whatever one starts out believing, science can't help either way. If you claim more than a belief then you must bear that burden.

No, I didn't. Where have I stated that? I have said that if you make a claim you need to defend it. Find where I made a claim of "no creation" and I will defend it. I am more than willing to defend the claims that I make.

Once we realize it is just belief, and not science, we enter the realm of beliefs, and in that realm, the bile and Jesus do well, thank you very much.

What I claim is science. It can be observed again and again. It can be tested and confirmed and if wrong falsified. You are accusing others of your sins.

I look at the commandments as great advice that is for our best interest and happiness. The thing is that in our fallen state of sin, no one can keep the darn things. We cannot save ourselves or be good. Jesus fixed all that. So now the only law is love...God and others. Our life becomes a work in progress, leading to a more perfect eternal life. It is not obeying the commandments that ever saved anyone, and no one really even obeyed them. They just served as a demo to show we needed more.

Like I said, dad failed the test earlier and it left a bad taste in his mouth.

I am waiting for ChristineM's response, or the response of any other that cares to take that very easy exam.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jesus, of course.

Um, no.

Try again.

 

[ChristineM]

I know, but bear with me. You seem to be fairly knowledgeable about the Bible. So here is a simple quiz. Using my more than reasonable definition of the Ten Commandments in light of the incredibly number of Ten Commandments around my country, what does the Tenth Commandment ban:

1) Lying

2) Stealing

3) Coveting

4) Cheeseburgers (sorry, I ran out of bans).

Either coveting property* and wife - or in some version's just another's wife, property is covered in 9.

*i guess some would call a cheeseburger property.

 

[ChristineM]

? Not sure what you thought the bible was based on.

85% of it (the ot) is based (selectively) on Jewish scriptures known collectively as the TanNaKh.

15% of it (the nt) is compiled from selected old wives tales, folk stories and unverifiable gospels some 350 years after said events.

Why what did you think it was based on?

 

[ChristineM]

Hey, I suspect they are safe in the ark in heaven as we speak! After all, Jesus is safe there also. Now.

So once again, no evidence, just guesswork and wishful thinking

 

[Subduction Zone]

Either coveting property* and wife - or in some version's just another's wife, property is covered in 9.

*i guess some would call a cheeseburger property.

Sorry, I lied. It is 4) Cheeseburgers. Though various lists of laws or commandments appear several times in the Bible only one source meets the three simple requirements that I gave. They the only ones called The Ten Commandments in the Bible. They are these:

One can read about them in Exodus 34. Here is the meat of that chapter:

"10 Then the Lord said: “I am making a covenant23 Three timesAY)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2520AY" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign Lord, the God of Israel. 24 I will drive out nationsAZ)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2521AZ" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> before you and enlarge your territory,BA)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2521BA" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the Lord your God.

25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast,BB)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2522BB" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Festival remain until morning.BC)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2522BC" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">

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“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”BE)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2523BE" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">

27 Then the Lord said to Moses, “WriteBF)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2524BF" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenantBG)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2524BG" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> with you and with Israel.” 28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nightsBH)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2525BH" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;">without eating bread or drinking water.BI)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2525BI" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> And he wrote on the tabletsBJ)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-2525BJ" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments."


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