Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[Gharib]

Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.

In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”

Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.”

During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “....Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad

said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s

companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”

 

[Sola'lor]

I definitely think Muhammad was inspired to reveal God's will to the people of that time and in that area. I find many verses in the Quran that align with my own beliefs.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

so you are saying that "it is possible for an angel to know everything, but it isn't possible for god".

if that isn't right please tell me. thats how i see it.

No, here's what I'm saying: if something is beyond human knowledge, this doesn't mean that only God knows it.

well Allah himself says in the Qur'an that it will never be edited by man and will remain pure.

You're begging the question. How do you know that this verse wasn't inserted by humans or is the result of Muhammad mis-hearing it?

IF the quran was edited by man, the errors would show soon after, but there are no errors in the Qur'an, since it is from god, and god makes no misstakes.

But again, is God the only entity who could create a book that humans couldn't find fault with?

Also, what would you consider to be an error, and how would we determine whether any of them are in the Quran?

It seems to me that most Quranic interpretation is a rather rigged game: if something can't be considered to be literally true, it's interpreted as poetry or allegory. If a prophesy hasn't been fulfilled, it's interpreted to refer to the future. Similar interpretative approaches can be used to argue away any apparent "error" or contradiction.

 

[Azakel]

Funny if that's the cause then modern Science can be shown to prove that the Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romes, Chinese, and many other group are right 1000+ year before even the Jewish Holy book. Man new more about science then before your Holy book came along(to the OP).

 

[Magic Man]

I'm going to start making vague predictions about things, so that in 100 years or so people can start interpretting them any way they want that aligns with current events and new findings by science so that I look like a genius or a prophet from God. It's obviously worked before.

 

[Wandered Off]

It seems to me that most Quranic interpretation is a rather rigged game: if something can't be considered to be literally true, it's interpreted as poetry or allegory. If a prophesy hasn't been fulfilled, it's interpreted to refer to the future. Similar interpretative approaches can be used to argue away any apparent "error" or contradiction.

And if that still doesn't resolve it for you, it's obviously because Allah has chosen to obscure the meaning from you.

 

[Caladan]

I'm going to start making vague predictions about things, so that in 100 years or so people can start interpretting them any way they want that aligns with current events and new findings by science so that I look like a genius or a prophet from God. It's obviously worked before.

Jules Verne, H. G. Wells, Asimov, Heinlein.. these are some of the prophets of the modern era.. and their holy books have been read by millions.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

yep true, you conviced yourself with your own statement. we know, we've seen it happen many times, your case is one of hem.

Yep - keep saying that. Maybe you'll eventually believe it.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Funny if that's the cause then modern Science can be shown to prove that the Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romes, Chinese, and many other group are right 1000+ year before even the Jewish Holy book. Man new more about science then before your Holy book came along(to the OP).

Exactly. Science was advanced a LONG time ago before the Muhammed or the Muslim religion even existed.

I personally don't think these verses were meant to mean this... What about poor translation, maybe the translater translated it to make it look like all these "miracles" occurred.

Did you know, for example advanced dentistry was practiced in the Indus Valley around 9000 years ago? WELL before your religion was even thought of.

Baudhayana (c. 8th century BCE) composed the Baudhayana Sulba Sutra, which contains examples of simple Pythagorean triples, such as: (3,4,5), (5,12,13), (8,15,17), (7,24,25), and (12,35,37)[26] as well as a statement of the Pythagorean theorem for the sides of a square: "The rope which is stretched across the diagonal of a square produces an area double the size of the original square."[26] It also contains the general statement of the Pythagorean theorem (for the sides of a rectangle): "The rope stretched along the length of the diagonal of a rectangle makes an area which the vertical and horizontal sides make together."[26] Baudhayana gives a formula for the square root of two.[27]... Even Maths!!


Cataract surgery was known to the physician Sushruta (6th century BCE).[33] Traditional cataract surgery was performed with a special tool called the Jabamukhi Salaka, a curved needle used to loosen the lens and push the cataract out of the field of vision.[33] The eye would later be soaked with warm butter and then bandaged.[33] Though this method was successful, Susruta cautioned that it should only be used when necessary.[33] Greek philosophers and scientists traveled to India where these surgeries were performed by physicians.[33] The removal of cataract by surgery was also introduced into China from India.[34] Brahmanic hospitals were established in what is now Sri Lanka as early as 431 BCE.[35] Ashoka (reign: 273 BCE to 232 BCE) also established a chain of hospitals throughout the Mauryan empire (322–185 BCE) by 230 BCE.[35] They found a cure for cataracts!

The origins of the spinning wheel are unclear but India is one of the probable places of its origin.[61][62] The device certainly reached Europe from India by the 14 century CE.[63] The cotton gin was invented in India as a mechanical device known as charkhi, the "wooden-worm-worked roller".[64] This mechanical device was, in some parts of the region, driven by water power.[64] The Ajanta caves yield evidence of a single roller cotton gin in use by the 5th century CE.[65] This cotton gin was used until further innovations were made in form of foot powered gins.[65] Chinese documents confirm at least two missions to India, initiated in 647 , for obtaining technology for sugar-refining.[66] Each mission returned with different results on refining sugar.[66] Your so called discovery of embryonic development is fancy, but this is something that made a difference to peoples lives.

I can go on forever, so can the internet. You're not unique.

 

[sojourner]

I keep wondering:
Why does the Koran have to be authenticated by science? It's not a science textbook.

 

[Sahar]

I don't think we should repeat this thing over and over, once a year is enough. :cover:

Eselam, there was a recent thread about the exact same topic;
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/science-vs-religion/77473-islam-science-common-sense.html

I think the thread of the above link (especially in the latter pages) was the best level of debate, I have ever seen, about this topic.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I keep wondering:
Why does the Koran have to be authenticated by science? It's not a science textbook.

It's not, but for people who believe this is what the Quran said, it is pretty amazing.

 

[sojourner]

It's not, but for people who believe this is what the Quran said, it is pretty amazing.

I dunno. It just seems like a whole jacked-up sort of propaganda thing to me. Isn't the Koran holier and worth more respectful treatment than that? Especially by its own proponents?

 

[ProudMuslim]

The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.” (see figures 5 and 6).

Figure 5: Photograph of an embryo at the mudghah stage (28 days old). The embryo at this stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance, because the somites at the back of the embryo somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance. The actual size of the embryo is 4 mm. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 82, from Professor Hideo Nishimura, Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan.)

Figure 6: When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.
(Click on the image to enlarge it.)
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How could Muhammad

have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad

). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.

Oh so what, this is only a "guess" made by a literate man in a time where those guesses where common knowledge.

And he also used Nimrud Lens and examined women who had miscarriage/abortions to see the 0.02 "leech" phase.



How does presenting other cultures ancient tools related to Qur'anic scientific revelations or what some prefer to call "vague scientific guesses"?

I don't think we should repeat this thing over and over, once a year is enough. :cover:

Eselam, there was a recent thread about the exact same topic;
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...mon-sense.html

I think the thread of the above link (especially in the latter pages) was the best level of debate, I have ever seen, about this topic.

I totally agree.

 

[eugenius]

A baby looks like chewed bubblegum, ok now your reaching.

I don't mean to offend, but this is the most pointless drivel I've ever read. Somebody already debated this with you in another thread and totally contradicted all your points.

I still can't believe people believe this stuff, blows my mind.

 

[McBell]

far too many western scientists do prove that the scientific evidences found in the Qur'an are not man made.

"Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . ."
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson

note: he is talking about hadiths, hadiths ussually elaborate most of the verses in the quran. Dr. Simpson is actually taling about the following hadiths;

"In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days..."

"If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones...."

these claims are also supported by another scientist, who happens to be an expert in the same fields as Simpson

"The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
Dr. E. Marshall Johnson

note: they are not "back to back", there may be some years in difference to both statements.

Also he (Dr. Johnson) says;
“As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

i think i'll let this sink in first and post some more statements later. i also have the actual comparisons made between the scientific miracles of the Qur'an and actual scientific facts, wich i trust they will not be called "BIASED" by some non muslims as then they will be contradicting modern science.

Your are just a glutton for punishment, aren't you?
You had your arse handed to you in the other thread and you still start a duplicate thread?

The Mind Boggles.

Anyway, here are a few of my posts from the other thread that fit into this one:

As for all the "science" presented from the Koran...Can we say "Forer Effect".

It amazes me the lengths some people will go to in order to show how stupid their ancestors truly had to be in order to not know anything just so that they can use it as "proof" that their holy book is indeed holy.

Yes, they were so stupid it is amazing they were able to still breath...

Actually, Mr. S copied that image from the link...

Meaning that THEIR OWN SOURCE claims that it is to scale and that no microscope is needed!

Because the Holiness of the Koran depends upon the complete stupidity of all those who wrote it.

*gets on pontoon*

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I dunno. It just seems like a whole jacked-up sort of propaganda thing to me. Isn't the Koran holier and worth more respectful treatment than that? Especially by its own proponents?

Well, let's hope they do not hand them out at schools. Then children cannot have fatwas issued against them...

 

[Don Penguinoini]

But in all honestly, i feel for a lot of Muslims, you have to put up with the ones in your religion who are so caught up in their own stench that they want everyone to smell the same...

 

[The Voice of Reason]

you think i expect anyone to convert or actually believe any of this. no i don't.

Ah, just so.

Virtually no one will "actually believe any of this" because it's pure BS.


Why don't you start a thread telling us that Allah himself invented the microscope? It would be just as accurate, and we could all get another chuckle.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Ah, just so.

Virtually no one will "actually believe any of this" because it's pure BS.


Why don't you start a thread telling us that Allah himself invented the microscope? It would be just as accurate, and we could all get another chuckle.

You say that now, but when he pulls out that verse you will not be laughing