Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[themadhair]

I think the difference becomes very very small indeed. I see no reason however why we should therefore require a new theory to explain the success of the old one ?

I’ll put it this way – one of the reasons GR was so quickly accepted by the scientific community was because it explained Newtonian mechanics. When a new theory replaces an older theory it usually does so by explaining the limitations of the older theory. It is extremely rare to find an instance where a newer scientific theory completely refuted the older theory, as opposed to merely explaining it to a deeper more precise level.

I had thought that classical physics follow from quantum mechanics when we deal with larger objects (with a delta similar to the one between newton and einstein) while relativity (indeed at least the GR) seems to almost contradict certain fundamental assertions of QM.

GR is gravity and, due to the sheer relative weakness of gravity compared with the other three forces, it rarely ever features in QM calculations. Gravity, whether Newtonian or Einsteinian, has never meshed well with QM (discrete distances, for example, make little sense in either framework despite being integral to QM).

To give an easy to see illustration of one of the problems consider that the discrete-based mathematics of QM cannot simply be combined with the continuous-based mathematics of GR.
Another example can be seen in the behaviour of elementary particles (such as the electron). Some scenarios the particle behaves like a point mass (making it predictable under GR) while in others it behaves like a wave (making it predictable under QM).
Simply put - a ******* nightmare.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Mental gymnastics.

wa:do

I prefer the term - "Mental incapacity".

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Fatihah -

I hope you are watching the exchange between "Thereisnospoon", "Madhair", and "Gnostic".

That is the free flow of thought, with none of the participants simply ignoring what the others are saying. They are learning from each other, and each is (in his own way) taking something from the conversation.

That is happening, because none of them is dogmatically refusing to consider that he might possibly be wrong.

Contrast that with every post you've entered in this thread, wherein you simply dismiss the knowledge laid at your feet, so that you can zealously defend your religious tenets.

Can you see how it works?

 

[Gharib]

Can you see how it works?

it's good to know you can see how it works, good for you.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

it's good to know you can see how it works, good for you.

Now, if only you could join us ...

 

[YmirGF]

Fatihah -

I hope you are watching the exchange between "Thereisnospoon", "Madhair", and "Gnostic".

That is the free flow of thought, with none of the participants simply ignoring what the others are saying. They are learning from each other, and each is (in his own way) taking something from the conversation.

That is happening, because none of them is dogmatically refusing to consider that he might possibly be wrong.

Contrast that with every post you've entered in this thread, wherein you simply dismiss the knowledge laid at your feet, so that you can zealously defend your religious tenets.

Can you see how it works?

Exactly. Perhaps it is only something common to infidels, eh?

Personally speaking, I don't know why Muslims are proud of demonstrating that they have the collective intelligence of a crushed grape.

 

[Gharib]

Now, if only you could join us ...

in what exactly, i suddenly lost my vission (big laugh)

 

[Gharib]

Exactly. Perhaps it is only something common to infidels, eh?

why do you repeatedly call yourself or others infidels a lot?

 

[themadhair]

why do you repeatedly call yourself or others infidels a lot?

I think that started when Fatihah called one of us an infidel.

 

[Gharib]

I think that started when Fatihah called one of us an infidel.

well it probably was due to the points being made, but Ymir has been using it for a while now, i don't know why he would call himself or others that constantly.

 

[YmirGF]

why do you repeatedly call yourself or others infidels a lot?

Ummm.... because considering the type of people who are in the "righteous" or "believer" camp, I'd much rather be classed as an infidel or kufr.

 

[Gharib]

Ummm.... because considering the type of people who are in the "righteous" or "believer" camp, I'd much rather be classed as an infidel or kufr.

ok, i see. you may do as you wish then.

 

[Gharib]

just to get back to topic, do the western scientists know that only female mosquitos bite and they become pregnant when they bite us humans?

what about the 2 seas not mixing with one another, and the salt water not mixing with the fresh water.

do westerners know of these?

 

[painted wolf]

Salt water and fresh water mix together... we call these areas 'brackish' and they are common environments along coastlines where rivers meet the ocean.
Mangroves are a particularly common type of brackish environment.

Mosquito females become pregnant when they have sex with male mosquitos.... not when they bite humans... they bite humans because blood is a high energy food source for producing lots of eggs.

wa:do

 

[Gharib]

Salt water and fresh water mix together... we call these areas 'brackish' and they are common environments along coastlines where rivers meet the ocean.
Mangroves are a particularly common type of brackish environment.

no they do not mix, they have a barrier, they go into each other but turn back, i haven't done much research to provide pictures or anything, but i will do that. the 2 waters (fresh and salty) have different densities i think or something like that, so they do not mix, it is explained in the quran, i will get the verses for you and i will post them here, i can't remember at the moment what exactly is mentioned in them. but the 2 waters do not mix

Mosquito females become pregnant when they have sex with male mosquitos.... not when they bite humans... they bite humans because blood is a high energy food source for producing lots of eggs.

yeah this might be accurate, i didn't know it really well, but still when exactly did the west know of this?

 

[themadhair]

no they do not mix

Brackish water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are lakes near the coastlines of Galway that are brackish.

yeah this might be accurate, i didn't know it really well, but still when exactly did the west know of this?

I hate when people set up question begging rather than get to the point. Trying to set up a gotcha moment is indicative of a weak argument IMO.

 

[painted wolf]

no they do not mix, they have a barrier, they go into each other but turn back, i haven't done much research to provide pictures or anything, but i will do that. the 2 waters (fresh and salty) have different densities i think or something like that, so they do not mix, it is explained in the quran, i will get the verses for you and i will post them here, i can't remember at the moment what exactly is mentioned in them. but the 2 waters do not mix

If this were true than no water would ever recycle on Earth...
some helpful links...
Brackish water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Estuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah this might be accurate, i didn't know it really well, but still when exactly did the west know of this?

well ... "the west" covers a lot of ground... My first nations ancestors knew about it... but we don't exactly write down all of our "ah ha" moments...

wa:do

 

[Gharib]

Brackish water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are lakes near the coastlines of Galway that are brackish.

i think you still do not get it, the 2 waters can co exist, but they do not mix, the salt water does not loose it's salinity, nor does it increase for the fresh water, in my country there is a lake, and you can see a river running from one point to another point where it leaves the lake and continues further down. from a birds eye view, you can notice the 2 waters do not mix. the river runs alond the shore and countinues so untill it leaves the lake.

it is kind of hard to expalin it in detail, i need to read the verses to explain this better.

I hate when people set up question begging rather than get to the point. Trying to set up a gotcha moment is indicative of a weak argument IMO.

yes it is weak in your case, not having an answer to it.

that is my point, when did the west discover that?

i will also mentione the fly, but tomorrow not now

 

[Gharib]

well ... "the west" covers a lot of ground... My first nations ancestors knew about it... but we don't exactly write down all of our "ah ha" moments...

wa:do

how long ago was that?

just a few years before Muhammed (saws) came along i assume, right?

 

[themadhair]

i think you still do not get it, the 2 waters can co exist, but they do not mix, the salt water does not loose it's salinity, nor does it increase for the fresh water

I’ve stood and explored in lakes where they did mix and I’ve stood in estuaries where they did mix. So good luck with that.

that is my point, when did the west discover that?

I’d need to check but I think the Celts had a legend that talked about this.