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Mohammad in the Bible...
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MyM
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you said above that you learn from mistakes...what did you mean by that?
MyM
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rosends
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There is substantial discussion over the exact circumstances surrounding King David's actions and their "sin-value" but there is no altering the text to white wash the events. If the ancient authors and editors wanted to change the text to protect the prophets, then this would be a perfect place to do it. In fact, I would suggest that having a text that details the weaknesses or foibles of the prophets attests to an even more accurate text. A text which presents humans as less/more than human is one which is more likely to have been altered in order to maintain some pre-existing vision of how a prophet "should" be.
MyM
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but their sin was?
MyM
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God would not have his messengers and such a great messenger-commit adultery and be a tool that, to spread his message-would kinda defeat the purpose
rosends
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It is nice that you feel comfortable telling God what he would or would not do. Jonah ran away. Miriam spoke evil about her brother. Eli assumed a woman was drunk, and his own children weren't so great (IIRC).God would not have his messengers and such a great messenger-commit adultery and be a tool that, to spread his message-would kinda defeat the purpose
InvestigateTruth
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Then you would know the theme of those verses is about people living at the time of Muhammad. It says, there are some among people who write books and say this is from God. The verses before that makes it clear these were the people who were Wishfully interpreting Bible in a way to reject Claims of Muhammad.I did I even posted them
But the Bible itself was written long before Muhammad, so, there is no verse in Quran saying the Bible was written by people the way they wanted to be.
God would not have his messengers and such a great messenger-commit adultery and be a tool that, to spread his message-would kinda defeat the purpose
But then you believe that God would be okay with the execution of people who changed their religion even though you also believe he created them and knows exactly how their minds function.
I don't know about you, but it seems to me that repentant sinners would be much more appropriate to learn from than people--including religious scholars who have certain beliefs--whose views are so rigidly dogmatic and dehumanizing as to believe in the death penalty for simply changing one's religion. I think murder is significantly worse than adultery.
MyM
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Song of Solomon 5:16 Hebrew Text Analysis
In Islam though, when one receives a revelation from Allah, such as the Suhuf (to Ibraheeem) Torah, the Zabor (Psalms), Injil(Gospels) may Allah be pleased with them all etc....it isn't about how people sinned, we don't attribute those types of sins to prophets of Allah. It's like saying, Allah is choosing bad people to spread his messages which we know he didn't do.
Sinning is something different but holy men of God, in Islam and from beginning of messages, do not do those things.
MyM
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Well, in Islam, Allah doesn't choose adulterers or drunkards to spread His messages. Don't understand why translated works have to demean such things...it's like saying Allah is crazy (God forbid) to put these men in charge. It is belittling Allah.
If the link about the Song of Songs is a hint that I haven't yet replied to you, don't worry, I haven't forgotten. I just haven't yet had enough time.Song of Solomon 5:16 Hebrew Text Analysis
In Islam though, when one receives a revelation from Allah, such as the Suhuf (to Ibraheeem) Torah, the Zabor (Psalms), Injil(Gospels) may Allah be pleased with them all etc....it isn't about how people sinned, we don't attribute those types of sins to prophets of Allah. It's like saying, Allah is choosing bad people to spread his messages which we know he didn't do.
As for prophets, yes I know Islamic views on prophets are different from Jewish views. But as I stated above, Islam makes its heroes to being perfect, infallible. What hope is there for the Average Yossi if he is meant to learn from people who have never experienced any sort of spiritual fall? Have never truly experienced humanity to its fullest? Who know how to rebuke but can't grasp what they are criticizing the people for?
MyM
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actually not jewish website but a site with the hebrew in it I typed how do you spell mohammad in hebrew....with actually a lot of languages/countries on how to spell the name of Mohammad.
Region/country Language Main Alternative
Arab world Arabic dialects Muhammad Mohammad, Mohammed, Mohamad , Mohamed
Maghreb Maghrebi Arabic Muhammed Mohamed, Mohammed, Ahmed, M'hamed, Momo or Mao (Nickname)
Egypt Egyptian Arabic Mohamed
Coptic ⲙⲁϩ ⲙⲏⲧ (Mahmād)
Iran, Afghanistan Farsi, Pashto, Dari Mohammad
Māmad (مامد)
Mamad (Nickname)
Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand Malay, Indonesian, various Muhammad Mohammad, Muhamad, Mochamad, Mohamad, Muhd, Mohd, Md
Indonesia Javanese, Madurese ꦩꦠ꧀ (Mat) ꦩꦺꦴꦏꦩꦠ꧀ (Mokamat)
Bangladesh, India Bengali, Assamese, Sylheti মুহাম্মাদ (Muhammad) মুহাম্মদ (Muhammad), মুহম্মদ (Muhammad), মোহাম্মাদ (Mohammad), মোহাম্মদ (Mohammad), মোহম্মদ (Mohammad)
Pakistan, India Urdu Muhammad (محمد) Mohammad
Turkey Turkish Mehmet Muhammet, Mehmed, Memet, Hammet
Azerbaijan Azerbaijani Məmməd Məhəmməd, Məhməd, Mamed
Uzbekistan Uzbek Muhammad (Муҳаммад) Mahmud, Mahamat, Mahammad
Kurdistan Kurdish Mhamad (محەمەد) Memed, حەمە
Albania, Kosovo, North Macedonia Albanian Muhameti
Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnian Muhamed Muhammed
United Kingdom English Muhammad Muhammed, Mohammad, Mohammed
Kazakhstan Kazakh Мұхаммед (Mukhammed) Махамбет (Makhambet)
Senegal, West Africa Various Mamadou Momo (Nickname)
Somali peninsula Somali Mahamed Maxamed, (maame)
Europe Latin Mahometus
Catalonia Catalan Mafumet
Italy Italian Maometto
Greece Greek Μωάμεθ (Moameth)
Spain Spanish Mahoma
Portugal Portuguese Maomé
France French Mahomet
Poland Polish Mahomet
Russia Russian Муха́ммед (Mukhammed) Магоме́д (Magomed), Магоме́т (Magomet), Моха́ммед (Mokhammed), Муха́ммад (Mukhammad)
China Chinese 馬 Mǎ (See wiki article) 穆罕默德 Mùhǎnmòdé
Uyghur مۇھەممەد (Muhammad) Mehmet
Israel Hebrew מוחמד (Mukhammad/ Muchammad)
Nigeria Hausa Muhammadu Muhammad, Mamadou, Mahamadou
Chechnya Chechen Мохьмад/Mokhmad Магомад (Magomad), Магомед (Magomed), Мухьаммад (Mukhammad), Мухьаммед (Mukhammed)
MyM
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Yes, that is true. IN Islam, Allah mentions at least 25 in the Quran and loooooads more in ahadith. But we never attribute major sins and breakin of the commandments to a messenger of Allah
It isn't about teaching a lesson, it's about delivering Allah's message.and with me and my teaching(work), I am having a hard time tryin to find time. Last night I even fell asleep at my laptop lol