Mohammad in the Bible...

[England my lionheart]

I don't know the name. sorry.

or much else on the subject it would seem,you behave more like a troll imo.

 

[MyM]

or much else on the subject it would seem, you behave more like a troll imo.

omg seriously. I am no troll... something an athiest wants to argue about....that isn't even involved in our conversation.

 

[England my lionheart]

omg seriously. I am no troll... something an athiest wants to argue about....that isn't even involved in our conversation.

Maybe you could look for clues of who the man is in the song of Solomon,don't miss them whatever you do.

 

[MyM]

Maybe you could look for clues of who the man is in the song of Solomon,don't miss them whatever you do.

 

[England my lionheart]

Mohammad pbuh would never.
it was a poem.... who knows it could even be a made up song. I'm just saying Mohammad's name is there, some of the attributes fit and had a rabbi say it was his name in that stance.

The Rabbi with no name,sounds like a movie.

 

[rosends]

So "No one knows and can prove things about it...it was all poetry." but some unnamed internet "Rabbi" makes a supposed claim and, in the face of all sort of opposition and explanation, he "knows".

 

[firedragon]

NOOOOO

Well. Thats what the whole episode is about. Thats why I asked you if you have read the whole thing.

 

[MyM]

The Rabbi with no name,sounds like a movie.

 

[MyM]

So "No one knows and can prove things about it...it was all poetry." but some unnamed internet "Rabbi" makes a supposed claim and, in the face of all sort of opposition and explanation, he "knows".

the name IS THERE. that is all I am saying.

 

[MyM]

I have been reading more and more and more about this translated verse. Many Jews have explained to me about this verse(not just on this forum) Some say it is Mohammad some say it isn't. It is very confusing to me so I want to withdraw what I have posted and apologize to the Jews and Muslims if I had insulted anyone. I do believe however, that Mohammad has been mentioned in the scriptures as Allah states in Quran states. I have done more research and to insinuate Mohammad pbuh to the song of sulaymon would actually be insulting Mohammad pbuh. The name is confusing and every religion claims it. Very strange though that the description in there matches that of Mohammad pbuh but to attribute it to lustfulness is 100% wrong to do and I do NOT want to be held accountable for that. I want to thank dragon for bringing it to my attention and to other Jews on here the same.

“Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous. Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men, for Allah loves those who do good.” (3:133-134)

 

[England my lionheart]

the name IS THERE. that is all I am saying.

But it's not.

 

[Harel13]

I have been reading more and more and more about this translated verse. Many Jews have explained to me about this verse(not just on this forum) Some say it is Mohammad some say it isn't. It is very confusing to me so I want to withdraw what I have posted and apologize to the Jews and Muslims if I had insulted anyone. I do believe however, that Mohammad has been mentioned in the scriptures as Allah states in Quran states. I have done more research and to insinuate Mohammad pbuh to the song of sulaymon would actually be insulting Mohammad pbuh. The name is confusing and every religion claims it. Very strange though that the description in there matches that of Mohammad pbuh but to attribute it to lustfulness is 100% wrong to do and I do NOT want to be held accountable for that. I want to thank dragon for bringing it to my attention and to other Jews on here the same.

“Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous. Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men, for Allah loves those who do good.” (3:133-134)

Apology accepted.

I have said a number of times on RF that I think it would be preferable if Christians stuck only to the NT. I say the same for you: I think it would be better for the image of Islam that you envision and believe in if you don't try to read Islam into the Tanach. It doesn't work well.

 

[rosends]

I have been reading more and more and more about this translated verse. Many Jews have explained to me about this verse(not just on this forum) Some say it is Mohammad some say it isn't. It is very confusing to me so I want to withdraw what I have posted and apologize to the Jews and Muslims if I had insulted anyone.

I appreciate the intent of this apology but am still troubled by it. You claim "Some say it is Mohammad". No, no they don't. Can you get me the name of any Jew who says that Mohammed is named in the verse? My name is Dan so if those other Jews claim that no one denies it, you can say "Rabbi Dan denies it" and those others can come here and discuss it. But until you can give me any sort of detail about teh existence of Jews who say Mohammed is named in that verse, I'm going to have to call BS on that. And if the "Jew" you want to cite is the still unnamed "rabbi" who is "reverted" then just say so. But please don't invent other characters to support the contention. thanks.

 

[England my lionheart]

I have been reading more and more and more about this translated verse. Many Jews have explained to me about this verse(not just on this forum) Some say it is Mohammad some say it isn't. It is very confusing to me so I want to withdraw what I have posted and apologize to the Jews and Muslims if I had insulted anyone. I do believe however, that Mohammad has been mentioned in the scriptures as Allah states in Quran states. I have done more research and to insinuate Mohammad pbuh to the song of sulaymon would actually be insulting Mohammad pbuh. The name is confusing and every religion claims it. Very strange though that the description in there matches that of Mohammad pbuh but to attribute it to lustfulness is 100% wrong to do and I do NOT want to be held accountable for that. I want to thank dragon for bringing it to my attention and to other Jews on here the same.

“Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous. Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men, for Allah loves those who do good.” (3:133-134)

You could have saved time by reading the whole song,the other point you could have thought of is the song of songs is read over passover in synagogues (correct me if i'm wrong),why would they if Muhammed was the subject?,pretty straightforward really.

 

[MyM]

Apology accepted.

I have said a number of times on RF that I think it would be preferable if Christians stuck only to the NT. I say the same for you: I think it would be better for the image of Islam that you envision and believe in if you don't try to read Islam into the Tanach. It doesn't work well.

I was listening to some jews online and it really stuck out and it even confused me more as to why some read the song of sulaymon during the passover? Is that correct? Or is this passage the only one that is really ridiculously insinuating weirdness from a poem. Can you tell me the significance am really interested. thanks

 

[Harel13]

I was listening to some jews online and it really stuck out and it even confused me more as to why some read the song of sulaymon during the passover?

That's because the ancient Jewish interpretation of the Song has been as a parable for the relationship between Israel and God on the eve of the Exodus, which is the first night of Passover.

Or is this passage the only one that is really ridiculously insinuating weirdness from a poem.

Well, it's a metaphor describing the relationship between Israel and God, The king is God and the young woman is Israel.

 

[MyM]

I appreciate the intent of this apology but am still troubled by it. You claim "Some say it is Mohammad". No, no they don't. Can you get me the name of any Jew who says that Mohammed is named in the verse? My name is Dan so if those other Jews claim that no one denies it, you can say "Rabbi Dan denies it" and those others can come here and discuss it. But until you can give me any sort of detail about teh existence of Jews who say Mohammed is named in that verse, I'm going to have to call BS on that. And if the "Jew" you want to cite is the still unnamed "rabbi" who is "reverted" then just say so. But please don't invent other characters to support the contention. thanks.

no it isn't that rabbi mort...I know all about him-that guy is somethin else...You can call BS all you want, but I heard myself even rabbis saying it. You don't know my intentions one bit. You can call me out anytime but I am telling the truth. And I was sincere in my apology and Allah knows my heart even if you don't. Not a problem.

just a note: If you put that name Hebrew name in the google translate...it comes up as Mohammad as well.

 

[MyM]

That's because the ancient Jewish interpretation of the Song has been as a parable for the relationship between Israel and God on the eve of the Exodus, which is the first night of Passover.

Well, it's a metaphor describing the relationship between Israel and God, The king is God and the young woman is Israel.

I heard this as well, but what is the ancient interpretation all about? can you explain? who is interpreting?

 

[Harel13]

just a note: If you put that name Hebrew name in the google translate...it comes up as Mohammad as well.

Three things:
1. The word there is not a name. It simply doesn't make sense in context.
2. Surely you know that Google translate allows people to improve translations?
3. It's possible that for the plural of מחמד there simply isn't any word in English.

 

[Harel13]

I heard this as well, but what is the ancient interpretation all about? can you explain? who is interpreting?

I'll post a detailed explanation when I'll have more time.