Mohammad in the Bible...

[TransmutingSoul]

But besides this, the name is there Mohamed. It could be any man but when you read the name, it says Mohamad. The name is written in Hebrew-the same exact way Mohammad's name is written in Hebrew. There is no denying that.

Are you aware that Baha'u'llah also appeared in Arabic translations of the Bible? These translations were removed from distribution when Baha'u'llah's Message became known amongst Arabic speaking enemies.

As such, using that argument, is that proof of Baha’u’llah?

The greatest evidence of Muhammad is Revelation Chapter 11 and 12.

Regards Tony

 

[Harel13]

I admit I am not knowing a lot about your religion, but I do know about Israel. Being an orthodox zionist is a first for me. Usually the really orthodox is against the state of Israel and are in constant conflict with them. They only accept the What they know of Torah and the religious laws. I can't explain that and that is very unusual since it doesn't rarely occur. I do know about Hilonim(secular), Masortim(traditional), Datiim(religious) and Haredim(really orthodox).

Jewish Orthodoxy isn't black and white (pun unintended). The term "Orthodox" is an umbrella term that covers many sorts of people. Some are Zionists, some are more neutral and some are anti-Zionists. Orthodoxy usually refers to people who believe in a God-given Torah, including a God-given Oral Torah, and that Jewish authority has been passed down through the generations - from Moses until the rabbis of our day. Zionism, neutrality or anti-Zionism are all extensions of the varying religious worldviews of Orthodox Jews.

 

[MyM]

Are you aware that Baha'u'llah also appeared in Arabic translations of the Bible? These translations were removed from distribution when Baha'u'llah's Message be amended known amongst Arabic speaking enemies.

As such, using that argument, is that proof of Baha’u’llah?

The greatest evidence of Muhammad is Revelation Chapter 11 and 12.

Regards Tony

There are many proofs to a lot of things. But proving them is another story.

 

[MyM]

Jewish Orthodoxy isn't black and white (pun unintended). The term "Orthodox" is an umbrella term that covers many sorts of people. Some are Zionists, some are more neutral and some are anti-Zionists. Orthodoxy usually refers to people who believe in a God-given Torah, including a God-given Oral Torah, and that Jewish authority has been passed down through the generations - from Moses until the rabbis of our day. Zionism, neutrality or anti-Zionism are all extensions of the varying religious worldviews of Orthodox Jews.

If that be the case, why do the Heradi have so much conflict with the zionists? They are extremely adamant in their hatreds towards them. I remember watching a show about them and they were pretty much cursing them...in Hebrew (was subtitles) . They said they were doin so many things against the religious laws of judaism. Just never met a orthodox zionist before. The zionists are usually just considered unorthodox. Jew, yes, but not really religious at all and many go against the orthordox.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There are many proofs to a lot of things. But proving them is another story.

Well to those that speak and read Arabic, there is proof.

Facsimiles of 1833 and 1858 Bibles page by
Khazeh Fananapazir, M.D.

http://bahaistudies.net/kf/bibles.html

That web page contains facsimiles of the Bibles of 1833 and 1858 clearly showing Baha'u'llah in Revelation 21:23

Yet the 1882 version had removed them and replaced it with majdallah

Regards Tony

 

[Flankerl]

Just never met a orthodox zionist before

It's almost as if one shouldn't talk about things one doesn't know anything of.

 

[firedragon]

The 5th song of Solomon is discussing a man. His face is as Lebonon-meaning arab looking. Semitic man. Verse 11 says his head is most like fine Gold, his locks are wavy and as black as raven. verse 10 describes this man as radiant and ruddy which means light skinned with a rosy color.

Who is the lover, and the bride? Whose door did he put his hand on? Can you explain?

 

[Harel13]

His face is as Lebonon-meaning arab looking.

Why would this be "arab looking"? During the time of Solomon the people who lived in Lebanon were the Canaanite Sidonians. You might be able to make a case that they were Semitic, but I don't see how they were Arabs.

 

[Harel13]

The zionists are usually just considered unorthodox. Jew, yes, but not really religious at all and many go against the orthordox.

Now you're changing your tune. Now Zionists are Jews. How did that happen?
You just admitted that you don't know much about the subject. Know this: The demarcation line between Jewish and not Jewish isn't Zionism, nor is it the line between Orthodox and not Orthodox.

 

[MyM]

Who is the lover, and the bride? Whose door did he put his hand on? Can you explain?

No one knows and can prove things about it...it was all poetry. Jews says one thing (not all), Christians say another.

 

[firedragon]

No one knows and can prove things about it...it was all poetry. Jews says one thing (not all), Christians say another.

So are you insinuating that the prophet Muhammed was the lover who put his hand on the door and so on? Seriously? Read it fully.

 

[MyM]

Why would this be "arab looking"? During the time of Solomon the people who lived in Lebanon were the Canaanite Sidonians. You might be able to make a case that they were Semitic, but I don't see how they were Arabs.

So are you insinuating that the prophet Muhammed was the lover who put his hand on the door and so on? Seriously? Read it fully.

NOOOOO

 

[Harel13]

NOOOOO

How does that answer my question?

 

[MyM]

NOOOOO

Mohammad pbuh would never.
it was a poem.... who knows it could even be a made up song. I'm just saying Mohammad's name is there, some of the attributes fit and had a rabbi say it was his name in that stance.

 

[Harel13]

Mohammad pbuh would never.
it was a poem.... who knows it could even be a made up song. I'm just saying Mohammad's name is there, some of the attributes fit and had a rabbi say it was his name in that stance.

So it's made up, it's not holy, and in any case it's corrupted. So back to my first question on this thread: Why the heck would Muhammad's name be in there? Is it a miracle? Does Allah typically make heretics write Muhammad's name in corrupted texts?

 

[Flankerl]

"a Rabbi"

I love how you say that as if it means anything.
At least provide a name.

 

[MyM]

So it's made up, it's not holy, and in any case it's corrupted. So back to my first question on this thread: Why the heck would Muhammad's name be in there? Is it a miracle? Does Allah typically make heretics write Muhammad's name in corrupted texts?

You tell me. Why is his name in there? There are so many hypotheticals but his name is there. That is something people know. It says his name.

 

[Harel13]

You tell me. Why is his name in there? There are so many hypotheticals but his name is there. That is something people know. It says his name.

Why should I tell you? I'm one of those natural Hebrew-speakers that thinks you have no idea what you're talking about here. The idea is utterly baseless, but not only that, makes absolutely no sense, as explained by several posters on this thread, myself included. So, perhaps one day you will take the time to ponder the many questions and problems we have raised here, and perhaps you'll come up with some sort of explanation. I'll be waiting.

 

[MyM]

"a Rabbi"

I love how you say that as if it means anything.
At least provide a name.

I don't know the name. sorry.

 

[MyM]

Why should I tell you? I'm one of those natural Hebrew-speakers that thinks you have no idea what you're talking about here. The idea is utterly baseless, but not only that, makes absolutely no sense, as explained by several posters on this thread, myself included. So, perhaps one day you will take the time to ponder the many questions and problems we have raised here, and perhaps you'll come up with some sort of explanation. I'll be waiting.

No problem will do that and then maybe you can explain why his name is there.