Moral Outrage

[The Hammer]

First graders given gender identity worksheet, told people can be neither or both genders

People are outraged at Gender Identity instruction in kindergarten....

I don't think it's all that inappropriate to teach them She/He and They...... And what that means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Vitality]

Gender is a social construct centered around tradition and patriarchal ideation. Lots of people are vehemently against any change to those standards. People become outraged when their way of life is challenged. How dare anyone teach a child to respect individual expression?!

 

[Nakosis]

First graders given gender identity worksheet, told people can be neither or both genders

People are outraged at Gender Identity instruction in kindergarten....

I don't think it's all that inappropriate to teach them She/He and They...... And what that means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

I feel the problem is your are putting ideas into young children's head the parents have no guidance for.
So the child says whatever, which the parent says is wrong. Now you are creating an element of distrust between the child, the parent and the teacher.
The teacher is only going to be with them for a semester. The parent is going to be with them for life.

 

[syo]

That school is rad!

 

[The Hammer]

I feel the problem is your are putting ideas into young children's head the parents have no guidance for.
So the child says whatever, which the parent says is wrong. Now you are creating an element of distrust between the child, the parent and the teacher.
The teacher is only going to be with them for a semester. The parent is going to be with them for life.

But it's not "putting ideas in their head".

It's a statement of fact. We have men/women/ and other/intersex/they. It's not telling them how or what they should say about themselves or how to identify. Let alone how that identity could play into sexuality. That would be too far imo.

 

[Stevicus]

First graders given gender identity worksheet, told people can be neither or both genders

People are outraged at Gender Identity instruction in kindergarten....

I don't think it's all that inappropriate to teach them She/He and They...... And what that means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

I was listening to the radio on my way into work and they were talking about this. It sounds like a combination of homophobia and religious intolerance, along with a lot of nobody-is-going-to-teach-MY-kid-about-this.

Others might wonder if first grade is too young to be introducing this subject, but that would be up to educators and psychologists. I didn't really get sex ed. until junior high school, and even then, it was pretty basic.

 

[icehorse]

First graders given gender identity worksheet, told people can be neither or both genders

People are outraged at Gender Identity instruction in kindergarten....

I don't think it's all that inappropriate to teach them She/He and They...... And what that means.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Well let me ask you this: What topics do you think are beyond what a 5 or 6 year old child should be exposed to?

IMO, the evolving, growing in complexity LGBTQ+ collection of topics is fluid and heavily opinion based. Most of it doesn't seem settled enough to be teaching to young children.

 

[icehorse]

Gender is a social construct centered around tradition and patriarchal ideation

What does "social construct" mean to you in this context?

What does "patriarchal ideation" mean to you in this context?

Frankly, I find the use of the word patriarchal to be unnecessarily divisive. How does this perspective celebrate inclusivity and diversity?

 

[The Hammer]

What topics do you think are beyond what a 5 or 6 year old child should be exposed to?

I explained this partially in response to Nakosis, but I'll repost it here too .

It's not telling them how or what they should say about themselves or how to identify. Let alone how that identity could play into sexuality. That would be too far imo.

Edit: this seems to just be stating How people identify. But not necessarily the Why that could be.

 

[Nakosis]

But it's not "putting ideas in their head".

It's a statement of fact. We have men/women/ and other/intersex/they. It's not telling them how or what they should say about themselves or how to identify. Let alone how that identity could play into sexuality. That would be too far imo.

No, this is putting ideas into their heads. That is what you do in school. Fill their heads with useful ideas.
Again the problem is that they are going to take these ideas, generally not fully formed or understood to the parents who may not fully get what is being taught from their 5yo. So correct them in a negative way which they wouldn't have to if the parents and teachers worked together.

It's not the facts. It is how the facts are presented and how they are understood. If there is confusion both parents and teachers need to work together.

 

[icehorse]

But it's not "putting ideas in their head".

It's a statement of fact. We have men/women/ and other/intersex/they. It's not telling them how or what they should say about themselves or how to identify. Let alone how that identity could play into sexuality. That would be too far imo.

There are TONS of facts we don't teach children until they're older. I fear a certain faction of the trans community is pushing an agenda without being qualified in the field of childhood development.

 

[The Hammer]

Others might wonder if first grade is too young to be introducing this subject, but that would be up to educators and psychologists. I didn't really get sex ed. until junior high school, and even then, it was pretty basic.

I don't think identity and pronouns are necessarily sex Ed? But it would depend on how it's presented.

My first sex Ed class was 5th grade (10-11y/o).

I mean we already have books like this for kids: Who Has What?: All About Girls' Bodies and Boys' Bodies by Robie H. Harris

 

[The Hammer]

No, this is putting ideas into their heads. That is what you do in school. Fill their heads with useful ideas.
Again the problem is that they are going to take these ideas, generally not fully formed or understood to the parents who may not fully get what is being taught from their 5yo. So correct them in a negative way which they wouldn't have to if the parents and teachers worked together.

It's not the facts. It is how the facts are presented and how they are understood. If there is confusion both parents and teachers need to work together.

What isn't factual about He/She/They pronoun usage? And identity?

Seems a stretch.

 

[The Hammer]

There are TONS of facts we don't teach children until they're older. I fear a certain faction of the trans community is pushing an agenda without being qualified in the field of childhood development.

So would this be an agenda too?

Who Has What?: All About Girls' Bodies and Boys' Bodies by Robie H. Harris

 

[The Hammer]

There are TONS of facts we don't teach children until they're older. I fear a certain faction of the trans community is pushing an agenda without being qualified in the field of childhood development.

You don't have the option to necessarily "teach them when older". If you're at a grocery store and you call the cashier a They as is requested via their name tag. But your child only recognizes them as a boy or a girl, and asks "why did you say they and not he/she", your stuck telling them anyways (or lying).

 

[icehorse]

So would this be an agenda too?

Who Has What?: All About Girls' Bodies and Boys' Bodies by Robie H. Harris

What parents decides to discuss with their children (perhaps with the help of a book), is quite different than what's taught in a public school.

 

[The Hammer]

None of this is about telling the children how THEY should think or Identify. Only how they are expected to interact with others, and what pronouns they may be using.

This is basic stuff. Not even sex education.

 

[The Hammer]

What parents decides to discuss with their children (perhaps with the help of a book), is quite different than what's taught in a public school.

So one is an agenda in school library/classroom but the other is not? This is the stuff that's in school libraries across the board. None of this is new or crazy.

People only think it is because now instead of just teach He/Penis, She/Vagina and they've added They/neither it's a moral Outrage, and needs to be taught by parents.

By your standards we shouldn't teach sex Ed in schools at all. And if we want to see how well that works out we can look at unwanted and teen pregnancy in the Southern US (were more strict sex Ed policies exist).

 

[icehorse]

You don't have the option to necessarily "teach them when older". If you're at a grocery store and you call the cashier a They as is requested via their name tag. But your child only recognizes them as a boy or a girl, and asks "why did you say they and not he/she", your stuck telling them anyways (or lying).

sure. but that's one of countless similar situations that parents have to deal with.

 

[Stevicus]

I don't think identity and pronouns are necessarily sex Ed? But it would depend on how it's presented.

My first sex Ed class was 5th grade (10-11y/o).

I mean we already have books like this for kids: Who Has What?: All About Girls' Bodies and Boys' Bodies by Robie H. Harris

Well, if it's just pronouns, then I guess it wouldn't be sex ed as such.

We never got books like that when I was a kid. But we still played "doctor." Some kids had older siblings and they'd sneak a copy of Playboy or something.

Back in my day, we used to learn about sex in the streets. But then they told us to keep it on the sidewalks and alleys instead.