Moral Outrage

[icehorse]

None of this is about telling the children how THEY should think or Identify. Only how they are expected to interact with others, and what pronouns they may be using.

This is basic stuff. Not even sex education.

This is basic? I'll ask you again, what would be some topics you think would be too advanced?

 

[Nakosis]

What isn't factual about He/She/They pronoun usage? And identity?

Seems a stretch.

Do you think a 5yo is going to correctly understand everything they are taught?

 

[The Hammer]

This is basic? I'll ask you again, what would be some topics you think would be too advanced?

I thought I was already clear on this?

I said that. Anything actually talking about sexuality, sex mechanics, and puberty are above this age group.

Edit: This is talking about how others identify, which has nothing to do with Sexuality.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

IMO, the evolving, growing in complexity LGBTQ+ collection of topics is fluid and heavily opinion based. Most of it doesn't seem settled enough to be teaching to young children.

This about sums up my thoughts on the matter. It's only been pretty recently that various terms have been coined, and that people of all stripes and colors within this framework of ideas have come forward to "add their name to the list." Does it even constitute a body of cohesive "knowledge" worthy of officially disseminating to anyone at this point? Let alone to children...

 

[The Hammer]

Do you think a 5yo is going to correctly understand everything they are taught?

Does anyone understand anything right away that they are first taught?.

I'd argue No.

 

[PureX]

I suspect at that age the only actual message being conveyed is one of accepting gender fluidity if at some point they happen to encounter it.

OH, THE HORROR-SHOW!!!

 

[The Hammer]

sure. but that's one of countless similar situations that parents have to deal with.

What if their 1st grade teacher is nonbinary.

They are going to learn about it, whether we like it or not. We may as well introduce it in a controlled group setting open for questions.

 

[Nakosis]

Does anyone understand anything right away that they are first taught?.

I'd argue No.

Right, so that's why you have to bring the parents in.
If fact, I think the solution would be to setup a class/meeting to review this with the parents, where the parents could bring up any objections/question and have them answered.

 

[The Hammer]

Right, so that's why you have to bring the parents in.
If fact, I think the solution would be to setup a class/meeting to review this with the parents, where the parents could bring up any objections/question and have them answered.

So we need to teach both he parents and their kids?

That's a different school routine we do not acknowledge in the US.

 

[The Hammer]

People seem to really think children aren't autonomous thinking feeling machines themselves. That until they are 18 they are not allowed to have thoughts or desires that conflict with anything their parents think.

That's an agenda. That's brainwashing.

Do they not get a say in what they learn? Most would say no. Why not?

Edit: Kids are damn self aware at 6 years old. I know I was.

 

[Nakosis]

So we need to teach both he parents and their kids?

That's a different school routine we do not acknowledge in the US.

Whatever happened to the PTA?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But it's not "putting ideas in their head".

It's a statement of fact. We have men/women/ and other/intersex/they. It's not telling them how or what they should say about themselves or how to identify. Let alone how that identity could play into sexuality. That would be too far imo.

It is all ideas, nature and especially nurture do define children in later life.

Regards Tony

 

[The Hammer]

It is all ideas, nature and especially nurture do define children in later life.

Regards Tony

And wrong ideas can be unlearned if proven wrong in the long term.

We humans are flexible like that

 

[Stevicus]

Whatever happened to the PTA?

They're still around: National Parent Teacher Association | National PTA

 

[Nakosis]

They're still around: National Parent Teacher Association | National PTA

Shouldn't be that difficult to get parents and teachers on the same page.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And wrong ideas can be unlearned if proven wrong in the long term.

We humans are flexible like that

Unfortunately the damage is done.

I consider we have been given guidance on these topics and we do not need to make the larger mistakes.

Regards Tony

 

[The Hammer]

Unfortunately the damage is done.

I consider we have been given guidance on these topics and we do not need to make the larger mistakes.

Regards Tony

Ideas don't cause damage if they can be unlearned.

 

[Stevicus]

I got sex-ed in the backseat of a 1947 Pontiac....

For me, it was a 1973 Plymouth Duster

 

[Nakosis]

Here's a question I would ask my parents, "How do you tell if they are a boy or a girl?"

I'd just tell them not to use pronouns or to be safe, use they/them for everybody.
He/she is something they used to use but it's gone out of style.

 

[esmith]

For me, it was a 1973 Plymouth Duster

I accidently deleted that post trying to edit it.
Got to thinking it was not the 47' Pontiac but in a wheat field.