Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
In that situation the parents should be killed and the baby given to proper parents.
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moral question
- Thread starter Autodidact
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In that situation the parents should be killed and the baby given to proper parents.
McBell
Unbound
Nope.
Seeing as an abortion kills a fetus or an embryo and not a baby one wonders why you would ask such an off topic question.
No, they don't think a baby is a baby until it is born and breathing. Of course, I have a different belief in that I indeed believe that it is a baby. But that is a whole other discussion that I don't really want to get into. (abortion is the one debate that I get really upset about, which is why I don't normally debate it).
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
That's not what matters. It's killing a fetus before it is a baby. I'm not saying that it is any less harsh, but that's just what it is. I am personally against abortion, but I am pro-choice, just so you know.
Human DNA is present within the fetus, thus it is human. Thus to me you are killing babies.
So the point is, lets not use our reason to determine Gods actions were unjust. Use the text and context which clearly shows that these babies go with the Lord instead of living with Pagan cultures which they would be sacrificed a lot of times, and not find salvation ever, being lost forever. Also they were a dire threat to the civilization, namely Israelites, that needed to produce the Messiah to save ALL people through one man whom was the Son of God.
Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
It is a good thing coat hangers weren't invented in Jesus' time. He would have been a dead Baby Jesus.
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
Which Pagan Gods told their followers to murder infants? Hm? None. Which Pagan cultures sacrificed infants? None. Sorry that not all Gods can be as bloodthirsty as yours. Not all people think that we need to be saved. Especially since your god supposedly made us this way.
McBell
Unbound
How about you start a new thread on it instead of taking this one off topic?
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
I never said that Pagans didn't sacrifice Humans. Your God himself sacrificed humans. Look at Jesus. However, Pagans did NOT command infant sacrifice, and your god did. Look at the Egyptian first born example.
That is incredibly offensive.
Again, I have showed where you have failed to use context. You have not addressed those arguments, so you have not added anything substantive.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Many cultures have thought nothing of leaving a newborn to die of exposure, whether it be for sexual selection or population control.
Were they morally right?
And by whose standards?
Look at it this way, many ancient Greeks found the most honorable thing to do for their dead was to burn them on a pyre.
Certain tribes in India at the same time believed the most honorable thing to do was to eat those they most respected.
When they met, they each found the others funeral practices barbaric and immoral.
While we may condemn those old societies who left their newborns to die of exposure, what would they say of allowing children to be malnourished, or to be carted off to foster homes because their parents are not prepared, or are simply unfit. They would more than likely find the practice barbaric and immoral.
I am not condoning infanticide, especially since social norms are moving towards a more global uniformity, but when reading stories from 2,400+ years ago, it is important to remember that those people have little in common with society today.
This works both ways. When attempting to force outdated moral codes on modern society, and when attempting to force modern morality codes onto an ancient book of religion and fables.
Were they morally right?
And by whose standards?
Look at it this way, many ancient Greeks found the most honorable thing to do for their dead was to burn them on a pyre.
Certain tribes in India at the same time believed the most honorable thing to do was to eat those they most respected.
When they met, they each found the others funeral practices barbaric and immoral.
While we may condemn those old societies who left their newborns to die of exposure, what would they say of allowing children to be malnourished, or to be carted off to foster homes because their parents are not prepared, or are simply unfit. They would more than likely find the practice barbaric and immoral.
I am not condoning infanticide, especially since social norms are moving towards a more global uniformity, but when reading stories from 2,400+ years ago, it is important to remember that those people have little in common with society today.
This works both ways. When attempting to force outdated moral codes on modern society, and when attempting to force modern morality codes onto an ancient book of religion and fables.
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
What have I not addressed? You said I was wrong because I said that Pagans didn't kill infants, when in fact, you were wrong. The only reason I even posted in this thread is because of your attack on Pagan Culture, by saying that it was better for children to be killed than be raised in Pagan cultures.
If you are using the Bible to show that God commanded the killing of infants, than use the proper context which is biblical... Meaning, they would be sent directly to the Lord at death, therefore saving them from being lost in a lost culture. Also I listed other reasons.
Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
I also found Subby's comment about Pagan cultures being baby killers extremely offensive.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Please take your abortion discussion to another thread. This thread is about killing babies after they're been born. Thank you.
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
Okay, so God killed the infants because he is selfish and wants to steal babies from their parents. Got it. Christian culture is a lost culture.
Herr Heinrich
Student of Mythology
Oh yes everyone. "God says it is okay to kill the babies right now so let's do it! I am sure they will go to the Big Happy Invisible Place in the Sky." Your justification is ridiculous. I really hope you see that.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
O.K., so then killing babies is moral? Is that your position?