More Cops Assassinated

[George-ananda]

Do you guys ever feel like the idolization of police officers (and people in the military) blinds us to some of the ills that very obviously exist in their respective cultures?

No, I think we should give special appreciation and respect for people that place themselves in harm's way for the general good. But most of us also understand they are human and any allegations of wrongdoing needs to be evaluated and dealt with appropriately. Our appreciation is not blind.

 

[George-ananda]

I think the mourning sister of a slain officer made a point; It's like no lives matter......

 

[Theweirdtophat]

This group somewhat reminds me of the Occupy Wall Street movement. All sounded good at first and they turn out to be frauds in the end.

It's not like crooked cops have went against non-blacks either. This group seems to act as if black lives are more important. Blacks are not more or less important than any other race.

 

[metis]

No. These are people putting themselves in harm's way for the protection of us all. (Much like military personnel.)

Because it is implying police don't care that much about black lives now; which is total over-reactive inflammatory crap.

To the first one, many of those in BLM are doing the same thing.

To the second, BLD does not condemn the police but does condemn a small minority officers that may overreact for one reason or another. In Dallas, there were a fair number of police who were marching with the protesters, and both sides were doing so peacefully until the gunman changed that.

I simply do not know where you're getting your "information" from, but that's seems to be what's driving your anger. I supplied a link to the BLM website in a previous post, so did you actually check it out? But with that, let me just say that not all who may protest are going to be peaceful and respectful, and the BLM leadership has repeatedly tried to get them to calm down.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I condemn the attacks, we should be honest and admit that US Police is asking for it. Anyways i condemn!

Did they expect cookies from Afro-American community after killing their youth indiscriminately.



Its like zionists amazed at why Gazans kill Zionist Soldiers! Perhaps the Zionists should stop stealing land first and killing Pals second.

 

[Revoltingest]

I condemn the attacks, we should be honest and admit that the cops were asking for it.

The cops who were assassinated weren't the same cops who shot innocent black folk.
They were killed simply because they were white & cops.
This is just pure racism & hatred.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The cops who were assassinated weren't the same cops who shot innocent black folk.
They were killed simply because they were white & cops.
This is just pure racism & hatred.

My friend in mankind Revolt,
I meant US Police.

There is something wrong with the Police system in US.


Before it escalates, US Govt must change the whole system.

 

[4consideration]

The shooter in Baton Rouge on Sunday was not a local person upset about things in his community. He was visiting from St. Louis, MO, and ambushed policemen.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The shooter in Baton Rouge on Sunday was not a local person upset about things in his community. He was visiting from St. Louis, MO, and ambushed policemen.

So u dispute the clear reality that Police is not targetting Blacks?

 

[Revoltingest]

My friend in mankind Revolt,
I meant US Police.

There is something wrong with the Police system in US.


Before it escalates, US Govt must change the whole system.

Aye, something is wrong here.
And I know you meant US cops.
It's gonna take a long time to fix things.

 

[von bek]

The cops who were assassinated weren't the same cops who shot innocent black folk.
They were killed simply because they were white & cops.
This is just pure racism & hatred.

They were not all white. Officer Montrell Jackson was a black police officer killed in Baton Rogue. He was 32 years old and leaves behind his wife and 4 month old baby.

 

[Revoltingest]

They were not all white. Officer Montrell Jackson was a black police officer killed in Baton Rogue. He was 32 years old and leaves behind his wife and 4 month old baby.

I didn't know!
Thanx for the heads up.
It becomes even more complicated.

 

[Debater Slayer]

No. These are people putting themselves in harm's way for the protection of us all. (Much like military personnel.)

And some examples of how the U.S. Army puts itself in "harm's way for the protection of us all":

During the war in Iraq that began in March 2003, personnel of the United States Army and the Central Intelligence Agency committed a series of human rights violations against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.[1] These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder.[2][3][4][5] The abuses came to light with reports published in late 2003 by Amnesty Internationaland the Associated Press. The incidents received widespread condemnation both within the United States and abroad, although the soldiers received support from some conservative media within the United States.[6][7]

The Mahmudiyah rape and killings involved the gang-rape and killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi and the murder of her family by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006. It occurred in the family's house to the southwest of Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq. The deceased of al-Janabi's family included her 34-year-old mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhasen, 45-year-old father Qassim Hamza Raheem, and six-year-old sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza Al-Janabi.[1]

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) inspected the camp in June 2004. In a confidential report issued in July 2004 and leaked to The New York Times in November 2004, Red Cross inspectors accused the U.S. military of using "humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, use of forced positions" against prisoners. The inspectors concluded that "the construction of such a system, whose stated purpose is the production of intelligence, cannot be considered other than an intentional system of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and a form of torture." The United States Government reportedly rejected the Red Cross findings at the time.[117][118][119]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Just fighting for the protection of U.S. citizens. If we overlook the above and the other war crimes of the Pentagon over the course of... decades, we can definitely say that the U.S. Army is one helluva protective, freedom-sponsoring force.

Long live, U.S. Army and nationalistic pride!

 

[4consideration]

So u dispute the clear reality that Police is not targetting Blacks?

Well, I'll tell you what, I got a text from a family member on Sunday that someone I know was on the scene (but not a member of the police departments,) and was asking for prayers. I sat at my table listening to the live coverage for hours.

No. I don't think police are "targeting" blacks. I think there's a problem with innocent blacks getting the short end of the stick in a culture of violence, drugs, and music that makes gangsta's that are trying to look hip, also act like criminals and be perceived as such. That does not mean all black people are that way. It's tragic when innocent people die, no matter what they look like.

I don't think black people should just ambush and shoot at cops because of some things that need to be addressed, just like I don't think people should open fire on Muslims, just because there are some tragic shootings done by Muslims.

 

[von bek]

I didn't know!
Thanx for the heads up.
It becomes even more complicated.

Even sadder, he had made a post on facebook a day or two before he was killed making a plea for everyone to end the hate and killing. He also spoke about the conflicts he experienced being both black and a cop. A thoughtful man, his death is a true loss for his family and his community. He was, without a doubt, one of the good guys.

 

[4consideration]

They were not all white. Officer Montrell Jackson was a black police officer killed in Baton Rogue. He was 32 years old and leaves behind his wife and 4 month old baby.

That's right.

 

[von bek]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/baton-rouge-officer-profiles/index.html

 

[George-ananda]

To the first one, many of those in BLM are doing the same thing.

You may have lost me there.....are you saying many in BLM are 'people putting themselves in harm's way for the protection of us all.'??

To the second, BLD does not condemn the police but does condemn a small minority officers that may overreact for one reason or another. In Dallas, there were a fair number of police who were marching with the protesters, and both sides were doing so peacefully until the gunman changed that.

Are you saying BLM is not claiming a systematic mistreatment of blacks by the police of this country producing unwarranted violence and death toward many black individuals they encounter??

I simply do not know where you're getting your "information" from, but that's seems to be what's driving your anger. I supplied a link to the BLM website in a previous post, so did you actually check it out? But with that, let me just say that not all who may protest are going to be peaceful and respectful, and the BLM leadership has repeatedly tried to get them to calm down.

I am aware of BLM's official positions and of course it is against violence in the protests. But what I am arguing is that their cause, in highlighting 'black lives', is helping to produce the atmosphere of racial emotions where violent nut-jobs will be provoked to act out. Its end result is clearly increasing the national sense of racial divide and furthering pessimism.

 

[George-ananda]

And some examples of how the U.S. Army puts itself in "harm's way for the protection of us all":







https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Just fighting for the protection of U.S. citizens. If we overlook the above and the other war crimes of the Pentagon over the course of... decades, we can definitely say that the U.S. Army is one helluva protective, freedom-sponsoring force.

Long live, U.S. Army and nationalistic pride!

Involvement in various conflicts is a political decision by our elected representatives. Do you know a more preferable way? There is also a cost to inaction too that people like to quickly forget. Now there is no reason to expect that everyone in the military will make the best decisions or that everyone will agree with every decision. If improper decisions or actions occur there are investigations and appropriate steps taken. And in many cases it comes down to judgement calls with liberals and conservatives disagreeing.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Involvement in various conflicts is a political decision by our elected representatives. Do you know a more preferable way? There is also a cost to inaction too that people like to quickly forget. Now there is no reason to expect that everyone in the military will make the best decisions or that everyone will agree with every decision. If improper decisions or actions occur there are investigations and appropriate steps taken. And in many cases it comes down to judgement calls with liberals and conservatives disagreeing.

Until George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and their associates are tried and thrown in prison, the statement that "there are investigations and appropriate steps taken" doesn't hold much weight on a grand scale.

And yes, there is a more preferable way: how about people stop glorifying the military and police and putting them on a pedestal as if they were some sort of saints? Yes, there are individual heroes among military and police personnel, just like how things are with most other professions (but perhaps more noticeably with those two professions because of how risky their nature is), but as a group? I don't think they should be idealized.