More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

[Kangaroo Feathers]

More firearms do not keep people safe, hard numbers show. Why do so many Americans believe the opposite?
More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

And

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’ As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

I hope these two facts help dispel some nonsense.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds like a straw man.
We have plenty of guns, & don't need more.
The real question is about regulating who has access to which ones & where.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

*eyeroll*

 

[sun rise]

Sounds like a straw man.
We have plenty of guns, & don't need more.
The real question is about regulating who has access to which ones & where.

Given that Trump, the NRA and conservatives want all teachers to carry guns, you are on my side of this - we have (more than) plenty guns.

The real question is how to defeat the NRA so we can have reasonable regulation...

 

[socharlie]

Sounds like a straw man.
We have plenty of guns, & don't need more.
The real question is about regulating who has access to which ones & where.

We tried to regulate boos, failed and made mafia more potent, we failed war on drugs and made mafia still stronger, all we can do create a stronger black market, we cannot stop any guns...this our experience of making problems worse, do we go this again?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

We tried to regulate boos, failed and made mafia more potent, we failed war on drugs and made mafia still stronger, all we can do create a stronger black market, we cannot stop any guns...this our experience of making problems worse, do we go this again?

Regulation works where outright prohibition does not.

 

[oldbadger]

And
I hope these two facts help dispel some nonsense.

Yep, it's on the BBC News this morning.
This idea of pushing teachers into carrying handguns and being prepared to take on a killer, out of the blue, one minute focusing upon delivering a lesson-plan the next needing to prepare to fight and/or die seem,s to be typical of the armchair warrior nut-jobs out there.

They just don't want to have to spend MONEY on security. Instead of building a Mexican Wall the money could be redirected towards quality school perimeter security, with quality access control and COMPETENT DEDICATED armed security officers controlling access and patrolling premises.

This will be needed for at least 50 years while common sense legislation slowly causes the illegal and unnecessary guns to reduce.

They'll never ever do it, I believe.

 

[oldbadger]

Sounds like a straw man.

These straw Men....... the term has become almost meaningless.

We have plenty of guns, & don't need more.

True.

The real question is about regulating who has access to which ones & where.

Schools......... regulating access to schools. The cost of full Perimeter Security will be huge, and Access Control to Entrances(s) will be cost-crippling, but home security of the nation's kids is probably more important than an aircraft carrier or two. ??

 

[oldbadger]

*eyeroll*

Let's try this...........
It's late in February 2018.
What are the chances that by December 31st 2018 there will have been 20 more school shooting incidents in the USA, and the bosses will still have done nothing to make a positive security difference in schools there, with positive legislation to commence the long process of gun control and reduction?

And pro-gun journalists will still be maintaining that such tragedies are the cost of freedom.

 

[oldbadger]

We tried to regulate boos, failed and made mafia more potent, we failed war on drugs and made mafia still stronger, all we can do create a stronger black market, we cannot stop any guns...this our experience of making problems worse, do we go this again?

The Temperance legislation was crazy.
The Low-Classes Drug legislation is crazy.

Gun legislation for better control, all-gun all-risks mandatory insurance etc is common sense.

In the UK it is possible to acquire a gun illegally but our Police are finding/seizing home made criminal guns which shows that it is not worthwhile for gangs to import guns on a black market..... there just isn't the money in it.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Let's try this...........
It's late in February 2018.
What are the chances that by December 31st 2018 there will have been 20 more school shooting incidents in the USA, and the bosses will still have done nothing to make a positive security difference in schools there, with positive legislation to commence the long process of gun control and reduction?

And pro-gun journalists will still be maintaining that such tragedies are the cost of freedom.

Only 20? Well, here's hoping.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yep, it's on the BBC News this morning.
This idea of pushing teachers into carrying handguns and being prepared to take on a killer, out of the blue, one minute focusing upon delivering a lesson-plan the next needing to prepare to fight and/or die seem,s to be typical of the armchair warrior nut-jobs out there.

They just don't want to have to spend MONEY on security. Instead of building a Mexican Wall the money could be redirected towards quality school perimeter security, with quality access control and COMPETENT DEDICATED armed security officers controlling access and patrolling premises.

This will be needed for at least 50 years while common sense legislation slowly causes the illegal and unnecessary guns to reduce.

They'll never ever do it, I believe.

I feel sorry for the deputy, frankly, because he gets to spend the rest of his life being vilified as a coward by the ammosexuals for the sin of exposing the ridiculous lie that is the idea of gun proliferation being a sensible precaution against this sort of incident.

 

[Altfish]

The NRA certainly gets value for money out of the puppet politicians it buys.

 

[oldbadger]

Only 20? Well, here's hoping.

True.. so true.

 

[Altfish]

EVIDENCE !!! What use is evidence when the NRA pay me millions?

 

[oldbadger]

I feel sorry for the deputy, frankly, because he gets to spend the rest of his life being vilified as a coward by the ammosexuals for the sin of exposing the ridiculous lie that is the idea of gun proliferation being a sensible precaution against this sort of incident.

Sure.
The trouble with armchair warriors is that they are so bloody brave. To be in such a job as 'armed security officer' does mean that the person may find his/herself in a situation where they have to literally 'be prepared to die in combat' on a day when they had just had a nice breakfast at home in domestic normality................ and I do wonder what kind of preparation, induction, training and selection process that person went through before being put in that job.

And to expect a school-teacher to double as an 'out of blue' gun-slinger is just crazy.

 

[Srivijaya]

And to expect a school-teacher to double as an 'out of blue' gun-slinger is just crazy.

Exactly!

Fact: 17 people shot dead in a school in Great Britain in 1996 - Dunblane Massacre.

The Dunblane massacre was a multiple murder-suicide which occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish city of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. Sixteen children and one adult were killed by Thomas Watt Hamilton, before he committed suicide.

Initially:
The Home Affairs Select Committee concluded in 1996 that a ban on handguns would be "panic legislation" and would do little to prevent a repeat of the Dunblane incident. (sound familiar?)

However:
because the Hungerford massacre also involved a legal gun owner killing with his legally-held guns, public feeling had turned against private gun ownership, allowing a much more restrictive ban on handguns to pass. In response to this debate, two new Firearms Acts were passed, which outlawed private ownership of most handguns in Great Britain.

Since 1996 No Mass Shootings in the UK. No school shootings in the UK.

The lesson is clear for the USA if it needs proof.

 

[Father Heathen]

We tried to regulate boos,

A dark period of American history during which the government tried to repress the apparition community.

 

[Revoltingest]

Given that Trump, the NRA and conservatives want all teachers to carry guns......

This is a mis-statement.
Not all.
Likely only a few would seek it.

 

[Revoltingest]

We tried to regulate boos, failed and made mafia more potent, we failed war on drugs and made mafia still stronger, all we can do create a stronger black market, we cannot stop any guns...this our experience of making problems worse, do we go this again?

It's a common response to a complex problem,
ie, "Make the scary thing illegal!".
Unintended consequences should be considered in advance.