More Guns Do Not Stop More Crimes, Evidence Shows

[Thief]

A school full of children are fish in a barrel, when there are guns everywhere.

you assume.....no one knows how to point the weapon

 

[SkepticThinker]

you assume.....no one knows how to point the weapon

I assume that in a chaotic situation where people are running everywhere, it's difficult for even those who are well trained to find and hit ONLY the bad guy(s). Reality appears to bear that out.

 

[Thief]

I assume that in a chaotic situation where people are running everywhere, it's difficult for even those who are well trained to find and hit ONLY the bad guy(s). Reality appears to bear that out.

maybe your reality is not the same as mine

I would duck for cover.....hoping to realize the reality of being shot at
If I am fortunate to have concealed carry......get a line of sight on the shooter

return fire

maybe your reality is like.....I would draw my weapon and shoot anything moving?

 

[SkepticThinker]

maybe your reality is not the same as mine

I would duck for cover.....hoping to realize the reality of being shot at
If I am fortunate to have concealed carry......get a line of sight on the shooter

return fire

maybe your reality is like.....I would draw my weapon and shoot anything moving?

Apparently you live in fantasy land.

 

[SkepticThinker]

In gunfights, trained officers have 18 percent hit rate. Yet, we want to arm teachers?
http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf
Ready, Fire, Aim: The Science Behind Police Shooting Bystanders | TIME.com

 

[leibowde84]

and I believe in returning fire

give the bad guy something to think about....BEFORE he tries to be bad

he might get shot.....BEFORE he empties his rifle

Possibly, but there WILL be more casualties as a result. More bullets flying around mean more death. Even cop's accuracy drops to about 20% in those situations.

 

[Thief]

Possibly, but there WILL be more casualties as a result. More bullets flying around mean more death. Even cop's accuracy drops to about 20% in those situations.

so....bad guys are inherently better shots....

not buying it

 

[Shaul]

So...

The case where only the attacker has guns and can shoot whoever he wants unstopped is better than the case where those trying to stop him also have a gun with which to stop him.

Got it.

 

[leibowde84]

so....bad guys are inherently better shots....

not buying it

No, bad guys are not better shots. Where did you get that from. They are even worse shots, for the most part, which means even more wayward bullets flying around a school filled with children. Less guns = less wayward bullets.

 

[Thief]

No, bad guys are not better shots. Where did you get that from. They are even worse shots, for the most part, which means even more wayward bullets flying around a school filled with children. Less guns = less wayward bullets.

it's not the wayward bullet that you can legislate

and the first set of wayward shots will flow.....

until someone takes aim to return fire

 

[leibowde84]

it's not the wayward bullet that you can legislate

and the first set of wayward shots will flow.....

until someone takes aim to return fire

Return fire means more wayward bullets. That's what I think we should avoid. Keep armed guards outside the school to make sure that bad actors don't even get in the door.

 

[Thief]

Return fire means more wayward bullets. That's what I think we should avoid. Keep armed guards outside the school to make sure that bad actors don't even get in the door.

perhaps a lengthy hall way.....
id cards with photo and magnetic strip
and maybe a metal detector halfway to the main entrance

the hallway out.....one large door and a guard
no one comes in the exit
(fire exit should be large and unencumbered)

bottle neck the way in with eyes on the door
going out should be easier

as for my rights to a gun......no tresspassing

 

[leibowde84]

perhaps a lengthy hall way.....
id cards with photo and magnetic strip
and maybe a metal detector halfway to the main entrance

the hallway out.....one large door and a guard
no one comes in the exit
(fire exit should be large and unencumbered)

bottle neck the way in with eyes on the door
going out should be easier

as for my rights to a gun......no tresspassing

Gun regulations are perfectly constitutional. Heller even made that abundantly clear if you actually read the opinion. So, you might have to become a criminal depending on what kind of weapon you have.

 

[idav]

So...

The case where only the attacker has guns and can shoot whoever he wants unstopped is better than the case where those trying to stop him also have a gun with which to stop him.

Got it.

Arming a school classroom teacher is too risky. The law that Florida put out was arming principals, councilors and librarians. I gotta say I never thought about arming librarians thats actually pretty interesting, I'm on the fence with that one.
Senate bill won't let teachers carry guns, but librarians could

 

[Thief]

Gun regulations are perfectly constitutional. Heller even made that abundantly clear if you actually read the opinion. So, you might have to become a criminal depending on what kind of weapon you have.

have you read Hitler's version?

 

[leibowde84]

have you read Hitler's version?

Hitler's version of what? Every developed country in the world has gun regulations. The vast majority are far more strict than ours. So, it would be disingenuous to try to compare responsible gun regulation with national socialism.