More Non-Sense

[The Hammer]

@The Hammer

Do you honestly believe a pre-pubescent child has any idea at all what it means for their future, going down that rabbit hole?

Providing "gender affirming" care, is not just about transitioning (by transition, I'm meaning reassignment). In fact that is usually not the ultimate goal.

And as far as I know, puberty blockers are reversible, not a permanent thing.

(Same reason why people think chemical castration is good, it's safe and reversible).

Edit: Had to check: Are they reversible? The effects of puberty blockers are physically reversible. Puberty blockers only pause the production of testosterone and estrogen hormones. Once a person stops using this medication, their body begins production once more, leading to the development of breasts and facial hair.

Puberty blockers: Definition, purpose, what to expect, and more.


Edit 2: I don't know if very many (if at all) people that are talking about performing a sex reassignment surgery on a prepubescent person.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What is wrong with letting nature decide? I agree this is a form of child abuse.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Alabama cites Roe decision in urging court to let state ban trans health care

The ball keeps going downhill. Anyone want to run away to a forest with me?

Well I can't say the nanny state is a leftest thing no more.

I think its a bad decision. People ought to be who they want or desire to be. That's what freedom is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What is wrong with letting nature decide? I agree this is a form of child abuse.

I think its the best course to go along with what nature brings to the table. Seems like less troubles overall from my perspective.

But I don't think nature ought to be controlled by legislating what that person wants or don't want to be. That said, I agree it's child abuse before a certain age.

 

[Koldo]

What is wrong with letting nature decide? I agree this is a form of child abuse.

I wasn't aware someone opposed antibiotics at this day and age.

 

[The Hammer]

What is wrong with letting nature decide? I agree this is a form of child abuse.

Because like the Gods, Nature isn't always right.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because like God, Nature isn't always right.

If that's true you don't know if what the person thinks he should be is correct either.

 

[The Hammer]

If that's true you don't know if what the person thinks he should be is correct either.

Exactly, which is why I just differ to the individual. Just like I can only know myself, they them.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Exactly, which is why I just differ to the individual. Just like I can only know myself, they them.

That's backwards. You should assume nature got it right... not the fallible human mind.

 

[The Hammer]

That's backwards. You should assume nature got it right... not the fallible human mind.

Why should I not trust in anything other then what my fellow man, describes themselves as?

It may be backwards to you, but I find it the "live and let live" I was raised with to believe in.

 

[The Hammer]

That's backwards. You should assume nature got it right... not the fallible human mind.

Who else knows you better then yourself? If there is someone that knows you better then you, you might want to apologize to the mirror.

 

[Aštra’el]

Exactly, which is why I just differ to the individual. Just like I can only know myself, they them.

Why should I not trust in anything other then what my fellow man, describes themselves as?

It is possible for people to be mistaken about themselves. Or confused, or deluded. Or brainwashed/ indoctrinated.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because like God, Nature isn't always right.

I'm pretty sure nature was around long before humankind. ;0]

Personally, I'd just go with what's not right with us rather than the big picture involving nature itself.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Who else knows you better then yourself? If there is someone that knows you better then you, you might want to apologize to the mirror.

There's lots of mentally ill people in the world. Should a kid who thinks he's a dog get an operation to turn him into a dog?

 

[Revoltingest]

What is wrong with letting nature decide? I agree this is a form of child abuse.

Nature makes mistakes.
But we can agree that there should be no undue
influence on kids regarding their gender. What's
"undue"? That'll be a long involved argument.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Whatever you say friend.

You understand that you being unable to present ay counterargument validates my position?

 

[The Hammer]

It is possible for people to be mistaken about themselves. Or confused, or deluded. Or brainwashed/ indoctrinated.

It's still real to them, and I'd rather work with them where they are as opposed to where I think they should be, based on my own biases.

 

[The Hammer]

You understand that you being unable to present ay counterargument validates my position?

No it really doesn't.

And there are plenty of counter arguments in this thread. I'm just not speaking to you.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

No it really doesn't.

Sure it does.

A person offering no defense against allegations of abuse?

And there are plenty of counter arguments in this thread.

Really? Where?

I'm just not speaking to you.

And why is that?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

It's still real to them, and I'd rather work with them where they are as opposed to where I think they should be, based on my own biases.

Not biases - reality. It is based on reality.

Our subjective perception of ourselves does not always line up with reality.

The sooner we help people realize that - the better for them.