More Non-Sense

[The Hammer]

Sure it does.

A person offering no defense against allegations of abuse?

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Just because I'm not debating you specifically means nothing to the overall discussion.

Really? Where?

Plenty may have been an overstatement. But you could always look at post #21. Otherwise. Plenty of other people here to talk to here.

And why is that?

You come off as the type of person unwilling to hold an actual discussion.

What's it matter to you one way or the other?

 

[The Hammer]

Not biases - reality. It is based on reality.

Our subjective perception of ourselves does not always line up with reality.

The sooner we help people realize that - the better for them.

All we have is subjectivity, everything we see think and percieve is only in our heads. The sooner we all realize that and stop trying to control others, the better for them and us.

Edit: "Of course it is happening inside your head.... but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" -JK Rowling

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's backwards. You should assume nature got it right... not the fallible human mind.

"Nature" gives cancer to children. So "nature" doesn't always get everything right now does it?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It is possible for people to be mistaken about themselves. Or confused, or deluded. Or brainwashed/ indoctrinated.

It's possible.. And it's possible that people can be confused, deluded, brainwashed/indoctrinated about how they view other people as well.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There's lots of mentally ill people in the world. Should a kid who thinks he's a dog get an operation to turn him into a dog?

How is that the same thing?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not biases - reality. It is based on reality.

Our subjective perception of ourselves does not always line up with reality.

The sooner we help people realize that - the better for them.

The reality is that there are people in the world who identify as the opposite gender that they present as. That's reality.
You seem to want to deny this reality and just tell them they're wrong, based on how you feel about it.
I don't understand why some people are so hung up on this issue. What's so terrible about just calling somebody what they want to be called and getting on with your life? I don't follow you around all day telling you that they way you feel about yourself is wrong and bad.

 

[Wildswanderer]

"Nature" gives cancer to children. So "nature" doesn't always get everything right now does it?

Your mind is part of nature so why should I believe anything it comes up with?

 

[Wildswanderer]

How is that the same thing?

How is it not?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Your mind is part of nature so why should I believe anything it comes up with?

Well as you said, you should just assume nature got it right!


Maybe you could try responding to the point. Just for once.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How is it not?

Well for starters, dogs aren't humans.
Transgendered people aren't claiming to be some other species.

I'm sure you could have figured this out on your own.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Maybe you could try responding to the point. Just for once.

I did. And thanks for confirming what I said. Cancer and mental illness are both something we should respond to by correcting the issue, not encouraging it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Transgendered people aren't claiming to be some other species.

Just another person that they are not.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I did. And thanks for confirming what I said. Cancer and mental illness are both something we should respond to by correcting the issue, not encouraging it.

I guess you've forgotten that you just said "That's backwards. You should assume nature got it right... not the fallible human mind."

So when nature gives cancer to children, we should assume nature "got it right."
So when nature gives a person a mental illness, we should assume nature "got it right."

But now you've contradicted yourself so who knows what you're trying to say.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Just another person that they are not.

Still a PERSON. A person that they feel they are.
Not another species.

 

[ChristineM]

@The Hammer

Do you honestly believe a pre-pubescent child has any idea at all what it means for their future, going down that rabbit hole?

Do you honestly believe that children are incapable of actually using their brains?

 

[ChristineM]

I did. And thanks for confirming what I said. Cancer and mental illness are both something we should respond to by correcting the issue, not encouraging it.

Is transitioning not correcting the issue them?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Is transitioning not correcting the issue them?

How is trying to change ones DNA, which is impossible, a solution? No cutting off your testicles doesn't correct your mental illness.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Still a PERSON. A person that they feel they are.
Not another species.

I feel that I'm a ten foot tall black billionaire. Gimme my money, please!

 

[SkepticThinker]

How is trying to change ones DNA, which is impossible, a solution? No cutting off your testicles doesn't correct your mental illness.

You didn't answer the question in the context of your assertions about nature getting it right.
And secondly, nobody is trying to change their DNA.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Do you honestly believe that children are incapable of actually using their brains?

To decide what? To drive a car or drink whiskey or choose their sex? No, they aren't capable of those kinds of decisions.