Not all people who oppose the mosque are bigots, some of them are misinformed about the subject.
However, if one knows all the details, then he/she should realize that your point of the healing of the victims have nothing to do with this building.
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Mosque at Ground Zero
- Thread starter 6Michael6Bennett6
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Not all people who oppose the mosque are bigots, some of them are misinformed about the subject.
However, if one knows all the details, then he/she should realize that your point of the healing of the victims have nothing to do with this building.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
No, I like this argument because it's true. You're right, though. There are some Muslims who are caught up in this idiocy, too, somehow thinking we should respect people's bigotry because a bunch of people died.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes, bigoted.
Because if one is going to allow the actions of of terrorists following an extreme and violent form of Islam to color their view on all Muslims, including a sect that denounces terrorism, that is the very definition of bigotry.
Intolerance based on a skewed perspective.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Yeah, good point.
I was once threatened with physical harm for telling a Skinhead in Idaho that his opinion was based on ignorance.
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
I really don't think you understand New Yorkers.
A mosque burns down, Christians and Jews are right there helping them rebuild. A synagogue is threatened and Muslims and Christians are the first to help. Same with a church.
Since 9/11, even though they disagree spiritually, they have learned to bond together in times of hardship.
Not everyone who opposes Park51 is bigoted and not all are..what was that you called them..ah, yes, idiots caught up in a wave of intolerance.
There is a lot more to this than the crying on streets, but what does it matter. You only see what you want, and all you see are bigots.
A mosque burns down, Christians and Jews are right there helping them rebuild. A synagogue is threatened and Muslims and Christians are the first to help. Same with a church.
Since 9/11, even though they disagree spiritually, they have learned to bond together in times of hardship.
Not everyone who opposes Park51 is bigoted and not all are..what was that you called them..ah, yes, idiots caught up in a wave of intolerance.
There is a lot more to this than the crying on streets, but what does it matter. You only see what you want, and all you see are bigots.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
You have yet to provide a valid argument on why a Community Center/Prayer Center owned and built by Sufi Muslims is related at all to the WTC attacks.
I'm really waiting for one single argument that could lead to opposition of the building. An argument not based on misunderstanding that is.
Venatoris
Active Member
True, all I see is a bunch of people protesting for no other reason than religious prejudice.
So, then would you agree that all people who oppose this are either bigots or misinformed about the subject?
Or do you think some of them are right in their opposition to the building?
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
I do think some are right in opposing it, as is awarded them based on the Constitution that the proponents like to throw around. I also feel that the Cordoba initiative has the right to build(IF they can get their affairs in order). However I refuse to tell the opponents that they have no right to their feelings or their opinions.
There are also big problems with the building that most are not seeing. El-Gamal may have violated the lease by not paying the by-yearly taxes, he still has not gotten approval from the MTA, he has yet provided the funds to demolish to building and neither has he submitted the floor plans for final zoning approval.
As I said, there are a lot of things going on here than just a right to build
There are also big problems with the building that most are not seeing. El-Gamal may have violated the lease by not paying the by-yearly taxes, he still has not gotten approval from the MTA, he has yet provided the funds to demolish to building and neither has he submitted the floor plans for final zoning approval.
As I said, there are a lot of things going on here than just a right to build
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
No one is being denied the right to free speech. Just because the majority of the protesters exhibit pure bigotry does not mean they do not have the right to be so.
Just as others have the right to point out that bigotry.
Just as others have the right to point out that bigotry.
I didn't mean do they have a right to do so, of course they have.
I meant are their opposition to the building right? As in for reasons you would approve of as valid arguments.
I doubt many if any of the protestors have taxes and lease issues as a motive behind their protest.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
No, it's not. A few people killed over 2,000 people, some of which were Muslims. Call it what you want, but grief and anger over those killings don't excuse bigotry.
What else would I call someone who treats or thinks of other people poorly just because they are of a certain religion?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
It's very simple. They don't want this community center built near Ground Zero. Why not? Because of what happened at Ground Zero, which was some extremists who claimed to kill people in the name of Islam. In other words, they associate an Islamic community center with terrorists. If they didn't, there would be no reason not to build this. There would be no reason it would be considered offensive of insulting.
Essentially there is no reason to oppose the building of this center other than a false association of these peaceful Muslims with Muslim terrorists. It's no different than associating all black or white people with the black or white person who robbed you. It's bigotry.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Of course they have the right. You can spout off any nonsense you want without fear of retribution by the government. The point is whether or not they are right in their opposition.
Of course they have a right to their bigotry. It's just sad is all. People also have the right to be racist in this country, but I still don't think they should be.
And what does that have to do with anything? If he doesn't provide funds or get things done, who cares? It's a little irrelevant to the point of whether or not they should build it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Considering the locals approve of it, or they really just don't care which I suspect is probably what's really going on, the city council approved with only 1 vote in opposition, the group building it is not affiliated with the group that carried out the 9/11 attacks, "moral sanctity" has already been stripped from that area, there are alot of mosques in New York and this isn't even a full blown mosque or place exclusively for Muslims, and we have plenty of roads and buildings that are already built over burial grounds. So what is there left other than those who oppose are bigots because they hate Islam, pure and simple; they got caught up in a mob mentality and don't really know anything about the issue; or they haven't gotten over 9/11 yet, in which they should probably get a therapist to help them out because it has been about 9 years since it happened.