Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

[Greatest I am]

In your humble opinion....should we come to the forum to look for god? That doesnt seem logic not even to a fundamentalist.

I lost humbe, if I ever had it, when reaching God. I recognize that I am puffed up myself. It is this arrogance that lead me to God. I would not give up this gift.

And what up with every god must be judged? If you wanna judge god /s then you must be above every god/s. Since you call the christians puffed up, i take it you are truly humble in your estimation of yourself. )(.

Humble is for priests. I am a warrior.

Any that do not judge their God are fools. How else to know that yours is the best that can be. Why do you believe in your God? Because you have found the rest lacking. That or you follow just because daddy did and have not even analyzed your beliefs against the fire of other philosophies.

Its a forum. People give their opinions. It wont be the same as yours necessarily, if your insecure, people who agree with you will puff you up. They could be just as wrong. Your OP statement has a hint of guilt in it.

Guilt, in what way?

Attack and Defend are emotionally loaded words. Followed by...JUST seek god.

It seems to me rather, that JUST seeking god is more important than JUST.

Thats my opinion. Dont take it as an attack or a defense. Its an opinion.

Not really, I see an attack. Opinion is like that by it's nature. You are either for or against in that opinion. Always.

I like to see opinion not based on talking snakes and 10 headed monsters.
I do not like a good Bible turned into a fairy tale. It, to me is a more important book that a fairy tale.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Let's see how to explain this in a way that won't be completely and utterly confusing... Well Her philosophy can't really be "found" in the sense that it is not written down anywhere or anything like that. And she doesn't give out set rules like such and such is wrong and you must act in such and such manner. There's no dogma or anything like that. She is a teacher and guide so really it's more about guiding me to improve myself. So I guess you could say it's more about helping me to develop my own philosophy rather than focusing in on trying to follow hers in particular. I don't know if I've really answered your question but then I think I'm a little unclear as to what your asking. I think it's already quite obvious that I view the gods very differently from the way Christianity views its god.



I'm inclined to say Not really but then again I'm not really sure what your getting at here. What do you mean by "holes"? and how does it "sound like she left some"?



I'd be happy to answer any questions you or anyone else may have. Though I have to say my faith is very eclectic, it is constantly changing and growing along with me adapting to me as I adapt to it and many of the concepts I have in mind can't really be adequatly explained with anything less than a direct mind-link so I may just end up leaving you more confused... but I'll do my best. Think you could clarify a bit more as to what you were asking and getting at in this last post? I'll see if I can give you a better answer as I feel I haven't really answered your questions.

You say that Selene has no dogma or judgments yet she is a teacher to you. She can only teach what she knows. This would be dogma and judgments. What else can one learn from a God. Unless God has no dogma or judgments. Not like any God I have ever heard of.
If she is teaching her philosophy to you then the fact that you are here to learn says that she left a few holes in your overall philosophy.
I am pleased that you do not view God as Fundamentals do. The Christian view for soft and moderate Christians though is not the worst you could do. The KJ Bible lead me to God but not the same God that Christians see in their literal reading of scripture. They see but will not admit it, a loser of a God. They will not believe that God is a winner, not a loser. All those miracles and He can’t get thing right. Go figure.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I came here to learn, and I've learned many, many things. If MoonWater never showed this place to me, I'd never have learned about the Baha'i faith, for example, a religion that I really like.

But I don't really think much about the gods. I'm more interested in the philosophical aspect of religion. Being an Omnist, all philosophy is divine if it agrees with common sense and the Laws of Nature, in my opinion.

A good stance.

God is a philosophy. Not a man at this point in time like Fundamentals believe.
They like to keep it masculine because it gives them the power to keep woman down and Gays out. Strange when you consider that their God began as master of all and now is regulated to only a part of what was once His. Oh well.

As I say, fundamentals make God a loser. They also are killing their parent religions and that is why I think them to be black flag operations.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

What about philosophy that, while not necissarily DISagreeing with common sense and the laws of nature, but doesn't really have anything to do with either? Like for instance the philosophy of yin and yang in taoism or the concept of chi, or the strict discipline within Japanese philosophy. Also who's definition of "common sense" are we going by. After all what is common sense to one person isn't common sense to another and may ven, by another's estimation, be completly wrong. For instance Starfish believes that its "common sense" that the ideal arrangement would be for a child to have a mother and father while Auto not only doesn't see this as common sense but sees it as completly wrong, thinking that its common sense to focus more on the quantity and quality of parenting rather than the gender. So who's idea of "common sense" do you go by, your own, what if your own contradicts current scientific data or what most other people believe(then it wouldn't really be common now would it). I do agree with you to a point Riverwolf I just feel that the deciding factors as to a philosiphies "divinity"(as you put it) are... well..., heck come to think of it I'd probably be bringing up counterpoints to just about any "deciding factor" you bring up... half just for the fun of it. I can think of some right now but then I come up with counterpoints as well for those. I guess the best we have so far is what Buddha said "don't accept anything I say until you have examined it and found it reasonable" or something like that... and even then it begs the question "define reasonable" lol. Sorry to pick on you dear, but you know how much fun it is for me to do so

P.S. I hope at least some of what I have said makes sense:help:

You speak to universal balance. Yin and Yang are the same as the tree of knowledge. A good branch balances the evil branch.

Regards
DL

 

[zenzero]

Friend greatest I am,
True,
Though neither attack nor defend but at the same time do not look for god either.
Just am trying to be HERE-NOW!
No past, no future, no god, no goals, no satan, no heaven, no hell. No nothing.
Simple BE.
HERE-NOW
Love & rgds

 

[doppelganger]

Compare the various Gods being offered and let me know which one looks the best to you. We can start there.

What if none of them look right?

 

[MoonWater]

You say that Selene has no dogma or judgments yet she is a teacher to you. She can only teach what she knows. This would be dogma and judgments.

Not really. Perhaps a better word would be guide rather than teacher but really she is both. For indeed there is no dogma or judgments. She doesn't judge me she only asks that I look at myself, and judge myself by my own standards. If I feel there is something about me that needs changing then she helps me to change it. My connection with her is about spiritual growth, not following a certain set of rules.

What else can one learn from a God. Unless God has no dogma or judgments. Not like any God I have ever heard of.

Well that comes as no surprise but then I view the gods very differently then you or most other people do. For me the gods are simply "highly evolved" souls. Much like a child learns from an adult so we are the children and the gods are the adults but more specifically the adults who have decided to try and teach the children. And eventually we'll grow up and it will be our turn to do the same if we so choose. Your idea of God is closer to what I call the infinite forces. These forces range from everything to our emotions to more intangible concepts like justice or revenge, they are within and without everything and make up our very souls(at least that's what I believe). Think of it much like the force from star wars only broken up into many different pieces and aspects rather than just light and dark. So with Selene, while I call her a goddess it's an honorary title, like in ancient times how calling someone master referred to a teacher more than it did a slave owner.

If she is teaching her philosophy to you then the fact that you are here to learn says that she left a few holes in your overall philosophy.

I fail to see how. My philosophy is not a block of swiss cheese. my philosophy is ever changing and evolving and is not dependant on Selene. She does have her own philosophy but I'm not required to follow it. it's more like, she offers me her knowledge and only if it makes sense to me AND I agree with it will I adopt it. But again it's not really that major as our relationship is more about helping me grow spiritually then making me follow a set of rules. If there are any "holes" in my philosophy it's because I, and I alone, have left them there. I am not Selene's puppet doing everything she says. Yes I am here to learn and to understand but that does not necessarily mean I am "lacking" anything. I fail to see why you would be led to such a conclusion.

I am pleased that you do not view God as Fundamentals do. The Christian view for soft and moderate Christians though is not the worst you could do.

Not sure what you mean by this. As I explained earlier my view of the gods is very different most others.

The KJ Bible lead me to God but not the same God that Christians see in their literal reading of scripture. They see but will not admit it, a loser of a God. They will not believe that God is a winner, not a loser. All those miracles and He can’t get thing right. Go figure.

Regards
DL

"parting a bowl of soup is not a miracle, Bruce, it's a magic trick. A single mother who works two jobs and still finds time to take her son to soccer practice, that's a miracle. A teenager who says no to drugs and yes to an education, that's a miracle."(GOD from "Bruce almighty")

 

[MoonWater]

You speak to universal balance. Yin and Yang are the same as the tree of knowledge. A good branch balances the evil branch.

Regards
DL

Except yin and yang isn't about good and evil, it's about light and dark true but the two are not synonymous with good and evil. How can a symbol that has nothing to do with "good and evil" be the same as a symbol that has everything to do with such concepts. Besides, again, I 'm not really sure what your getting at. Are you trying to say that underneath it all we believe the same thing? or what? By the way, I don't believe in evil... or good for that matter. Or rather I see them as man made concepts that, especially when you used as labels, hurt more than help.

 

[Caladan]

Let me give you a tip, don't look for things such as God infront of a computer screen
the net can be an easy tool to take in information, preferably not in an indiscriminate way.

 

[ChristineES]

Nothing is truly black or white. Everything is in shades of gray. No matter what opinion you or I have, someone, somewhere will disagree with it. Stating a disagreement is not necessarily an attack. At least it doesn't have to be.

Most of what people call fact is actually an opinion. There are very few absolutes. I like my faith- I like practicing it. However, someone else sees my faith as a delusion. They are entitled to think that, since for them it is true. Just as my faith is true to me.

 

[YmirGF]

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

I think, to an extent, they all do.

It is possible that preach could have been added to the above but I thought it unnecessary.

Fortunately, outright preaching is not permitted on this forum.

If none of us come here to have our mind changed then why bother?

For many of us, it is merely for the entertainment value.

...where all listen, but none hear, that we were all questioning our own thinking and that we were all searching for a new God...

I never stop questioning my own thinking, but I will insist that I am most certainly NOT looking for a "new God". Quite the contrary actually. For the most part, I have left behind, what I personally deem to be extremely primitive views of reality. I remain satisfied that being exists, but become more convinced with each passing day that concepts of external Gods are a ruse designed to ensnare the vulnerable. Their thinking on the matter seves to underscore my thinking.

It calls the question, Are any here looking for God?

Again, I think everyone here is, for the most part, still "looking" for "god", whatever "god" is precisely, in their minds. The question also conveniently ignores those who have moved beyond such constructs, believing that such thinking distorts personal reality more than it is worth.

 

[ChristineES]

I never stop questioning my own thinking, but I will insist that I am most certainly NOT looking for a "new God".

I agree. I debate myself, too. I always have new ideas. Some are "FOS"(full of s***) while others are pretty good.

 

[Greatest I am]

Many people are looking for God, GIA, but just because people don't change their minds (especially to your OWN P.O.V.) that doesn't disqualify them as not being serious in their search.

If they are serious in their search then they would listen to and talk to the prophets.
They do not seek such. As in the time of Jesus the Rabbi, they seek miracles, not words. The prophets are consigned to insanity and delusions.
Wisdom is in words. They do not seek words they covet miracles. How many will reach heaven with this sin. All of us. My search has always been with words, not some ******* God.

Likely it means that whatever they are arguing against either a) doesn't touch their hearts/minds, b) is something they've already heard before and doesn't satisfy their doubt, or c) they are not so much defending their beliefs as much as defending themselves against aggressiveness. I'm sure there are other reasons, but these are the ones I see most often. Don't they seem like pretty justified responses, regardless of how sincere their search for God is?

When I go after a Fundamental, I go for the throat. Most such dumb debaters that I want to decide quickly if this person is too deeply indoctrinated or is there a hope in hell for him. I take more heat than most but I like heat.

I have taken note and know some who see my points and take off with them in a shall I say, more diplomatic and reasonable and calm way.

The fundamentals end up cursing some of these nice people just as high and hard as they do me. I have some pride though in saying that I have taken some of these to a babbling state where only insult is left and they cannot attack the logic odf the discussion so it gets personal. I have been demonizes and castrated a few times but the one thing I hate is when they **** with my name. I am not demon lover.
This from one on the subject of Jesus saying to love sinners and hate sin.

In contrast to your perspective, I see plenty of people here who are very serious about their search for God. Perhaps you are too focused on OTHERS rather than your own search for God? Isn't that the person you should be most concerned with?

I found God. I am now duty bound to mix with the publicans. Jesus the Rabbi was right about that. My curse for having so much fun at their expense when it did not matter. Now balance makes me bear the pain when I lose one. The y are human. One must be loyal to humans. Even lost soul.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

"Besides, I believe everything to be divine in nature to an extent; all matter that we know about, is made of Stardust, after all. ^_^"

In my religion of 1, there is nothing holy in the universe except God. We are getting to the point where all things are holy. Holy wars and holy books of all kinds and holy *****, it never ends.
It is like the use of love. I just love this dress, I just love my this and that and car and my body parts and give me a break.
Any other holies to me must be named by God. He has yet to do so.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Hmm... interesting concept...

To try to define something that by it's very nature is largely undefineable..

Hogwash.

You are defeated before even ******* starting with that loser aptitude. Girdle your loins boy, manhood await.

Name this indefinable and I shall shew you how to handle such.

Regards
DL

 

[doppelganger]

Girdle your loins boy, manhood await.

You're aware that Job ends that story by placing his hand over his mouth, right?

 

[Greatest I am]

Friend greatest I am,
True,
Though neither attack nor defend but at the same time do not look for god either.
Just am trying to be HERE-NOW!
No past, no future, no god, no goals, no satan, no heaven, no hell. No nothing.
Simple BE.
HERE-NOW
Love & rgds

That is good in short me times.

Have your seen the old version of the time machine by H.H. Wells. His Eloy were like that except for your good moral sense.

That Is Wells version of us if Eve had not eaten of the fruit. Thank her much for all of mankind. We are just starting to understand what the prophets were trying to tell us but in the case of my God, He started out rather stupid by today's standards.

His Eloy did not know good and evil. We have moral sense thanks to Eve.

I have to be careful with my Franglais. Did I just insult you or just damn near.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

What if none of them look right?

We all follow either a political God or a Religious God. They are all ugly.
Name who you follow. You do follow one or some philosophy. This is all any God offers.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

We all follow either a political God or a Religious God. They are all ugly.
Name who you follow. You do follow one or some philosophy. This is all any God offers.

Regards
DL

then you have a very limited view of god methinks. Why do you presume to tell people what it is they believe and what kind of god they follow? Why do you presume to give people a set of "options" for god? Surely you realize not everyone is going to agree with them. I don't. Why are you trying to limit "god" to a particular label?

 

[Greatest I am]

M W

Do you or your godess have miracles or a hell.

Regards
DL