Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

[Greatest I am]

In my opinion when i have done a hard days work on a cold day, a large plate with a large steak sat on it with onions ,mushrooms and Chips is a work of art, truly beautiful.

That is sort of like telling your wife you love her after saying how much you love your car, your cat and your luggage.

Regards
DL

 

[Riverwolf]

My sympathy is triggered more by ugliness than beauty. Something of beauty does not need it.

If I walk down the street and see two people, one ugly the other not then I would give sympathy to the ugly, not the other more beautiful one.

Your statement give the most comely the sympathy. Strange. It must just be the way you use the language.

I should tell you that I am hard hearted and often rely on my soft hearted wife for some opinions. She too thought it ugly.

Regards
DL

I cannot lie and say that ugliness doesn't repulse me inside. (I'm not saying that you lie when you say you aren't repulsed by ugliness, understand) But I try not to think of people as ugly or beautiful. Certainly my ideas of what is ugly and beautiful is non-conformistic. ^_^

But I've never, EVER seen a child who was ugly. So because the child in the picture you provided is beautiful, I want to help him. I also want to help him because he's a child. If he were an adult, my sympathy would not be as high.

 

[dzay]

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.
It is possible that preach could have been added to the above but I thought it unnecessary.
In my journey through forums of this type, I have seen many defend their various positions with varied skill and seen debates go nowhere. I did see one person of the hundreds of whom I track actually change his mind on an issue.
If none of us come here to have our mind changed then why bother?
It occurred to me that perhaps, the underlying motivation of all here, in this tower of babble, where all listen but none hear, that we were all questioning our own thinking and that we were all searching for a new God. Or at best here, a Name to follow.
It calls the question, Are any here looking for God?

Regards
DL

Many of us believe in the Bible... In Matthew chapter 7 the Bible speaks of just 2 roads one that leads to salvation and one that leads to destruction... It's obvious that we all believe in different things that have put us on different paths.
I don't know about everyone else but I want to be on the right path... to me that means putting my own belief on trial as well as others.
It means my life

 

[MoonWater]

I was asking for an opinion. I have yet to respond to it and I am already told that I have criticized your thinking, have called you out, am trying to denigrate you, back you into a corner, insult you etc. etc.

You have already created my criticism for me, fact is that I have yet to write it. This shows more the guilt you feel for your own response than anything I have yet to write. This tells me more than I can ever tell you.

Thanks for telling me how I think.

Regards
DL

And Thank YOU for telling me how *I* think. My response had nothing whatsoever to do with guilt about my position and yet you seem to think it does. If I felt guilty about my position I would change it, simple as that. I fail to see why you would see guilt written into my response.

The thing is you HAVE criticized the thinking of others who disagree with you, even gone so far as insulting them(remember when you called me "silly", and a "fool") You already HAVE tried to back those of us here who have a different point of view in to a corner to try and garner us into your way of thinking or fit us into your mold. At least this is what I have gathered from the tone and language of your posts in the past on this thread, particularly towards me. If that was not your intention in previous posts then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I realize that in this particular post to which I responded as I did you had not tried these same tactics but I drew the conclusion from past experience with you in this thread that once we gave our answers to these questions you would then move on to tell us how our views mean we support letting children starve, simply because we see beauty in them, just as your questions about my views on good and evil lead you to accuse me of being in favor of genocide when I never said that I was. If you had no intention of following your previous patterns then I apologize for misconstruing your intentions. But you got my hackles raised earlier with your attitude towards me and others and thus I felt more defensive in regards to your questions as I felt this would simply turn into a repeat of our earlier argument. If I assumed an ulterior motive where there was none, then I am truly sorry:sorry1:

 

[Greatest I am]

I cannot lie and say that ugliness doesn't repulse me inside. (I'm not saying that you lie when you say you aren't repulsed by ugliness, understand) But I try not to think of people as ugly or beautiful. Certainly my ideas of what is ugly and beautiful is non-conformistic. ^_^

But I've never, EVER seen a child who was ugly. So because the child in the picture you provided is beautiful, I want to help him. I also want to help him because he's a child. If he were an adult, my sympathy would not be as high.

Thanks for this.

I have never seen an imperfect baby. I have seen ugly and ugly cannot be beautiful at the same time. This is ugly. Ugly is Evil.

Don't misunderstand. I do not disagree with your moral nature. it is exemplary.

I disagree with your political nature and from a pure animal with feelings and emotion should abhor the fact that anyone could even have the opportunity to take such a scene that that should overcome all other thoughts of beauty.

From a purely political point of view you have to pretend that you are behind that camera and you then have to walk away and let whatever, whatever.

You not I would not and should not do such. Spiritually we can and have to walk away but politically we cannot. Not only must it be an ugly we will not stand but also a stink we shall not endure.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

Thanks for this.

I have never seen an imperfect baby. I have seen ugly and ugly cannot be beautiful at the same time. This is ugly. Ugly is Evil.

I fail to see how. Ugly is merely an opinion one gives based on how they view the appearance of another. How can appearances be "evil"?

 

[doppelganger]

A meal is a meal. It is not beautiful or ugly to it. It is food.

When you look at what you eat, is it beautiful?

I daresay it is sometimes. And I bet any sort of carrion or an animal near its death is quite aesthetically pleasing to a vulture.

 

[Greatest I am]

Thanks for that to all.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I fail to see how. Ugly is merely an opinion one gives based on how they view the appearance of another. How can appearances be "evil"?

Apply your definition of appearances to the picture and tell what part of the boys appearances triggers your feelings to the word beauty and good.
KIS.
Keep It Simple for me please.
Start with the one main word if possible because I am of limited reasoning power.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

Apply your definition of appearances to the picture and tell what part of the boys appearances triggers your feelings to the word beauty and good.
KIS.
Keep It Simple for me please.
Start with the one main word if possible because I am of limited reasoning power.

Regards
DL

Child

There's my one word. He is a child and I find all children to be beautiful. I don't think the picture itself is beautiful nor do I think the fact that he is starving is beautiful. I think the child himself is beautiful because he is a child and thus I wish I could help him.

Now will you answer MY question. How can appearances be "evil"?

 

[methylatedghosts]

I fail to see how. Ugly is merely an opinion one gives based on how they view the appearance of another. How can appearances be "evil"?

Appearances are "evil" in the same way they are "ugly"

They are simply value judgments, which to me have no meaning whatsoever and generally are excessively distorted between different viewpoints, depending also rather heavily on the persons pre-judgements.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and is found if you choose to see it.
The film Shallow Hal comes to mind.

 

[methylatedghosts]

My sympathy is triggered more by ugliness than beauty. Something of beauty does not need it.

If I walk down the street and see two people, one ugly the other not then I would give sympathy to the ugly, not the other more beautiful one.

Your statement give the most comely the sympathy. Strange. It must just be the way you use the language.

I should tell you that I am hard hearted and often rely on my soft hearted wife for some opinions. She too thought it ugly.

Regards
DL

What makes you think that an ugly person needs sympathy over a beautiful one?

 

[Greatest I am]

Child

There's my one word. He is a child and I find all children to be beautiful. I don't think the picture itself is beautiful nor do I think the fact that he is starving is beautiful. I think the child himself is beautiful because he is a child and thus I wish I could help him.

Now will you answer MY question. How can appearances be "evil"?

The fact that this image can exist to be taken is evil. Evil goes to evil. It does not go to beauty.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

What makes you think that an ugly person needs sympathy over a beautiful one?

Need may be the wrong word. Want may be better. The want of both the ugly to receive and to the giver to give.

Regards
DL

 

[doppelganger]

Evil lurks in ideas and the world of appearances. Like any magic trick, "evil" is accomplished with misdirection and incomplete information.

Skilled black magicians, including many politicians and even Christian preachers, can make the most pervasive of evils seem quite beautiful by manipulating aesthetic impulses about which their subjects are not aware enough to recognize in operation.

 

[Green Gaia]

Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

It calls the question, Are any here looking for God?

On an internet forum?

 

[MoonWater]

Appearances are "evil" in the same way they are "ugly"

They are simply value judgments, which to me have no meaning whatsoever and generally are excessively distorted between different viewpoints, depending also rather heavily on the persons pre-judgements.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and is found if you choose to see it.
The film Shallow Hal comes to mind.

ah, I think I see your point. "evil" is a judgement call same as "ugly".

I've never heard of that movie before, I'll have to take a look at it.

 

[MoonWater]

The fact that this image can exist to be taken is evil. Evil goes to evil. It does not go to beauty.

Regards
DL

You really seem to not be understanding what I'm saying. I never said that evil goes to beautiful or is beautiful, I don't use that word, remember?

Okay let's try this again. I think all children are beautiful because they are children. The person in that picture is a child and thus he is beautiful, because he is a child.

Now that child also happens to be starving. I think that the fact that he is starving is terrible and I wish there were something I could do to help him. In that picture I don't see a beautiful starving child, I see a beautiful child who also happens to be starving.

Now when I say beautiful I don't mean physical appearances, physical appearances are irrelevant to me(or at least I try to make them such), I'm talking about the "beauty within". Does that make any sense? Do understand what I'm getting at now?

 

[Greatest I am]

On an internet forum?

How does scripture say it? If two or more are gathered in my name etc.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

You really seem to not be understanding what I'm saying. I never said that evil goes to beautiful or is beautiful, I don't use that word, remember?

Okay let's try this again. I think all children are beautiful because they are children. The person in that picture is a child and thus he is beautiful, because he is a child.

Now that child also happens to be starving. I think that the fact that he is starving is terrible and I wish there were something I could do to help him. In that picture I don't see a beautiful starving child, I see a beautiful child who also happens to be starving.

Now when I say beautiful I don't mean physical appearances, physical appearances are irrelevant to me(or at least I try to make them such), I'm talking about the "beauty within". Does that make any sense? Do understand what I'm getting at now?

Go inside that mind. See the misery and desolation and disappointment. The constant cursing at circumstance and the loss of his life.

The beauty within.

Regards
DL