"Mother of God"

[Etritonakin]

No. There is no "Mary mother of God". No human was ever the mother of YHWH, at least, not in my spiritual-religious system.

Biblically speaking, the being who became Christ -God the Word -was the one who always interacted with men -not God the Father. The word went forth from the Father to do and say.

The being who became Christ by being born flesh -the "Son of Man" by Mary -existed with the Father as the Word (Logos) before what we call the physical creation. The Word is the one who did the actual creating as directed by the Father -by him and for him were all things made.
He was then Melchizedek -who had no earthly mother, father, beginning of days or end of life.
He was also I AM -and was the being whose "glorious" body was shown to Moses.

John 8: 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

He is even "the comforter" -though the language used can be confusing. Many believe the Holy Spirit/spirit of God to be a third person -but it is the power by which God acts -just as the Word did the creating -and "the spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep" is HOW he created.
The following translation seems to call the comforter a he as if a separate person -but that is not the case. It is Christ interacting in a different manner.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

The Father, Christ, and us -no other being.

 

[First Baseman]

Though there would be several generations between them, I would go with "Tiamat". The mother archetype is unfitting, however. Rather, primordial Creation and Destruction would be better fitting... a deific archetypal combination eventually inherited by YHWH... with one profound difference being that Tiamat embodies Chaos and YHWH embodies Order.

 

[First Baseman]

No. There is no "Mary mother of God". No human was ever the mother of YHWH, at least, not in my spiritual-religious system.

Your "spiritual-religious system" obviously isn't based on Christ. So why don't you just bug out of the conversation?

 

[First Baseman]

I am Catholic but I do not pray to Mary. She was the earthly mother of Christ, i.e. God in the 2nd person, so yes, in a very real sense she is the mother of God. I do not agree with the doctrine that she was a virgin her whole life (she wasn't, she had other children) and I do not necessarily think she is or will be the "queen of heaven" like many Catholics do.

 

[Aštra’el]

Biblically speaking, the being who became Christ -God the Word -was the one who always interacted with men -not God the Father. The word went forth from the Father to do and say.

The being who became Christ by being born flesh -the "Son of Man" by Mary -existed with the Father as the Word (Logos) before what we call the physical creation. The Word is the one who did the actual creating as directed by the Father -by him and for him were all things made.
He was then Melchizedek -who had no earthly mother, father, beginning of days or end of life.
He was also I AM -and was the being whose "glorious" body was shown to Moses.

John 8: 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

He is even "the comforter" -though the language used can be confusing. Many believe the Holy Spirit/spirit of God to be a third person -but it is the power by which God acts -just as the Word did the creating -and "the spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep" is HOW he created.
The following translation seems to call the comforter a he as if a separate person -but that is not the case. It is Christ interacting in a different manner.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

The Father, Christ, and us -no other being.

That may be your spiritual-religious interpretation and understanding but it certainly is not mine. The Old Testament God seems to have far more in common with Marduk, Anu, Enki and Enlil than it does with Jesus of Nazereth.

 

[Aštra’el]

Your "spiritual-religious system" obviously isn't based on Christ.

Yes, it is not based on Christ. Rather, it is about absorbing strength, power, wisdom, and beauty from any religion I wish. It is about exploring my own human Nature and expanding my understanding of humanity's collective human Nature. It is about my love and respect for the earth and the cosmos, and my fascination with God(s) and the Heavens and Hells. It is about my connection to YHWH and forces Above and Below and Within.

So why don't you just bug out of the conversation?

I feel no desire to.

 

[rusra02]

So @Shiranui117 post is wrong? How?

I'm not sure what post you are referring to. Could you be more specific?

 

[Etritonakin]

That may be your spiritual-religious interpretation and understanding but it certainly is not mine. The Old Testament God seems to have far more in common with Marduk, Anu, Enki and Enlil than it does with Jesus of Nazereth.

It is pretty much what it says, but I understand people view it differently.
How people view the scriptures themselves is also a factor.

 

[Demonslayer]

Jesus is not YHWH

Except when he is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't see much value in Christianity in general, but I will add that at least Catholics see the value of the feminine in divinity. There is, IMO, a "mother of God" which I see as Kali Maa, the mother and wife of Shiva. Unfortunately much of the world is poached in patriarchy and sees femininity as unable to be divine.

There is a mother of God, as women give birth to *everything*. What you see that as... as either Mary of Kali or whatever... it doesn't matter... it just matters that you see female as important as it's counterpart of male in daily life as well as divinity.

Beautiful

 

[metis]

I'm not sure what post you are referring to. Could you be more specific?

#3

 

[metis]

Just a quick point that a much more accurate way of envisioning "praying to Mary" is to reword it and have one "praying through Mary", as the prayer have her as a conduit between those doing the praying praying and God. For example, I can ask you to pray for me to God-- "the communication of saints". One hears that during recitation of the Rosary "... pray for us...".

 

[metis]

BTW, whether Mary had other children is debatable since the word for "son" in Koine Greek also applies to male cousins.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It seems that if one believes in the Trinity, namely that Jesus is God, and since Mary gave birth to Jesus, does that not make Mary the "Mother of God"? Isn't this just connecting the dots? If not, why not?

What has been told to me before: God planted a seed in Mary, and it grew. Therefore Jesus was a miraculous child of God. Mary did nurture him, but she did not provide any divinity.

 

[metis]

What has been told to me before: God planted a seed in Mary, and it grew. Therefore Jesus was a miraculous child of God. Mary did nurture him, but she did not provide any divinity.

In Catholic theology, this wording: "the Mystery of the Trinity", is often used, meaning that it is not possible to fully understand how Jesus could be both human and God at the same time. Therefore, the "seed" is believed to be both human and divine in some way, according to the RCC.

 

[rusra02]

#3

Since Jesus is not God, Mary could not be God's mother, IMO.The angel Gabriel told Mary; "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Jesus is never called "God the Son" in Scripture, but always "God's Son", "the Son of God", or a like term.

 

[metis]

Since Jesus is not God, Mary could not be God's mother, IMO.The angel Gabriel told Mary; "Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) Jesus is never called "God the Son" in Scripture, but always "God's Son", "the Son of God", or a like term.

Then you are not a trinitarian. Obviously, neither am I.

 

[viole]

In Catholic theology, this wording: "the Mystery of the Trinity", is often used, meaning that it is not possible to fully understand how Jesus could be both human and God at the same time. Therefore, the "seed" is believed to be both human and divine in some way, according to the RCC.

That was probably the most brilliant compromise in the history of man.

1) Jesus is only man
2) Nope. JEsus is only God
3) Nope. HE is both, and let me throw in the Holy Spirit for the same price
4) Fine, we can live with that, but what does it mean?
5) Who can say? It is a mystery

Ciao

- viole

 

[Etritonakin]

A true mystery can be known -otherwise it is not a mystery, but horsepucky.

Eph 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

John 1 explains Christ being both God and man quite well

 

[metis]

A true mystery can be known -otherwise it is not a mystery, but horsepucky.

Eph 3:5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

John 1 explains Christ being both God and man quite well

But it really isn't that simple, especially when we get to the issue of Jesus supposedly being the "final sacrifice". For example, which is supposedly actually being sacrificed: Jesus' humanness or Jesus' divinity?