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Mr Trump has questioned Ms Harris's racial identity.

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Which parts of the Democratic platform do you not agree with?
And which parts of Trump's platform do you not agree with?

In terms of the issue of Abortion, Trump likes the ideas that Abortion was sent back to the States, which now allows the issue to become part of the Democratic process. The Left is more totalitarian and wants Big Government to take away the vote of the people, like they did when a small Cabal coronated Harris, without a single popular vote. The minions are required to drink the Kool-aid and sing as one. Half the population does not what to be lorded over, even of the other half does.

At least if we give the abortion issue to the 50 states, both sides can have victory somewhere, while the losers who want abortion, will still have the option of medical tourism in another state. If you plan ahead this is not a big deal. In the end, the pro-life in an abortion state have less of a victory option. But still if we all vote this is closer to being fair and Democratic.

Trump looks out for more people, and not just his own base. You cannot say that of Hiding Harris who wishes to force one way onto everyone, then will use law fare if you disagree; Conrad Hitler Harris the abortion Czar.

Power does not fit all women, which is why Harris was not well liked by her staff, due to her power insecurities. She would prefer be surrounded by sycophants. A good President goes out and meets people of all means and tries to find a way so more people feel they have been heard. A good president does not shut down the conversation and force one way and then expect everyone to fall in line like the DNC. Are Democrats voting for a Queen or a President?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I should have clarified my remark by saying "a greater percentage of" rather than "in greater numbers", leaving you with the misimpression that I thought they were a larger ethnic/racial demographic than African Americans. In fact, that percentage varies by state, so their numbers will have a bigger impact in some states than others. If one looks at Asians generally as a single demographic, they make up about 15% of the voting population, which is larger than African Americans or Hispanic/Latino Americans. In a close election, even that small slice could be significant for the outcome. However, Trump's remarks might have a greater impact in the minds of those who consider themselves discriminated against for being mixed race regardless of ancestry. About 10% of the American population now self-identifies as "multiracial". It is important to people of minority status that the US treat everyone the same regardless of ancestry.

See

How Will Indian Americans Vote? Results From the 2020 Indian American Attitudes Survey

Key facts about Asian American eligible voters in 2024

Multiracial Americans

An Early Look at Black Voters’ Views on Biden, Trump and Election 2024

It is almost certain that Trump will not win anything like 17% of the black vote now, since most surveys were about Trump vs Biden, and half of that demographic said that they preferred neither candidate. In a normal election, slightly over 10% of black voters vote or lean Republican, but a larger slice of all Republicans will not be voting for Trump this time around, based on the results that Nikki Haley got in the primaries.
Harris is half Indian and half Jamaican. Both had been British colonies. She may also have British blood. She was raised primarily by her Indian side, since he parents separated and divorced and was raised by her mother and her family. The reason why Trump brought this up, was to have Harris say that she was not just black, but also Indian. Harris was the one picking a side, and not embracing her multi-racial nature. Shame on her.

Knowing how the DNC lives by identity politics and clings in their assigned tribes, for Harris to publicly say she is proud to be half Indian, may alienate some blacks, who figure she is not 100% with their struggle, but only 50%. Obama had this issue when he started; not black enough. On the other hand, by not accepting her Indian side during the campaign, she may lose Indian votes.

The overreaction by the propaganda wing of the DNC, tells me they did the number crunching and there are more black votes to lose by accepting both sides of her multi-racial. Indians immigrants tend to be more educated, successful and have a privileged sense of self due to the Indian class system they came from. Many blacks might sour on Harris and open a door for Trump.

Trump is forcing her hand and the DNC is are trying to do damage control and put the genie back in the bottle, hoping the blacks do not notice. They call Trump a racist for pointing out multi-racial; distraction. Trump just needs to keep taking off the lid so Harris can learn to accept her own multiracial status and embrace it, as an example to all. But she a scammer, and will try to have it both ways and may be hurt both ways.
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I am very opposed to abortion.

As for Trump, I am more familiar with his personality and his age, both of which really really turn me off.
OK...... but are you opposed to early termination where a woman has been raped, or the foetus is dreadfully handicapped, or the mother's life is at risk?

And do you oppose contraception or the morning after pill?
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Nevertheless, the tactic can play well with some of Trump's base voters, because it feeds the familiar tactic of turning an opponent's strength into a perceived weakness. So they will start shamelessly promoting the meme in social media that she is some kind of a racial poser, or, as one person put it in this forum, a "race chameleon".
Trump is making no attempt to EXPAND his base, only to solidify support he already has. This is odd. He seem either to have a Plan B or he is totally politically inept.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
In terms of the issue of Abortion, Trump likes the ideas that Abortion was sent back to the States, which now allows the issue to become part of the Democratic process. The Left is more totalitarian and wants Big Government to take away the vote of the people, like they did when a small Cabal coronated Harris, without a single popular vote. The minions are required to drink the Kool-aid and sing as one. Half the population does not what to be lorded over, even of the other half does.

At least if we give the abortion issue to the 50 states, both sides can have victory somewhere, while the losers who want abortion, will still have the option of medical tourism in another state. If you plan ahead this is not a big deal. In the end, the pro-life in an abortion state have less of a victory option. But still if we all vote this is closer to being fair and Democratic.

Trump looks out for more people, and not just his own base. You cannot say that of Hiding Harris who wishes to force one way onto everyone, then will use law fare if you disagree; Conrad Hitler Harris the abortion Czar.

Power does not fit all women, which is why Harris was not well liked by her staff, due to her power insecurities. She would prefer be surrounded by sycophants. A good President goes out and meets people of all means and tries to find a way so more people feel they have been heard. A good president does not shut down the conversation and force one way and then expect everyone to fall in line like the DNC. Are Democrats voting for a Queen or a President?
So basically, you believe in Trump? Convictions, lies, frauds, briberies, adulteries and all? OK.

'The Left' as you call about half of your country could be your last hope of a free country with a free elections system, or do you think that Mr Trump will hand over after four years?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Trump is making no attempt to EXPAND his base, only to solidify support he already has. This is odd. He seem either to have a Plan B or he is totally politically inept.
Trump seems to have gotten too confident, and is now rattled that Harris is his new opponent, and is very popular. His lies about her is his typical schtick since his agenda is terrible, and he can't debate policy. I think he's scared and has no rational response, so anger and attack is all he has. His shaming of her heritage isn't sticking. His nicknames aren't sticking. Harris looks energentic and professional, as Trump looks weak and angry. He doesn't know what to do. I guess he thinks he has enough black votes because he did not help himself by insulting black female journalists.

It's same old Trump, boring. No ideas. Just bad theater that is turning off the citizens.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I am against abortion if its done "just because its available". Some people don't or won't use contraceptives because they can go get an abortion.

Teach about and make contraceptives more available to help avoid unwanted pregnancies and decrease abortions.

The morning after pill I have no problem with.

I also have no problem with abortion if the pregnancy is a result of rape, incest, molestation. Or the mothers life is in danger.
It sounds as if you support Planned Parenthood. Studies have found that they lower the rates of abortion in areas with Planned Parenthood offices. They are often incorrectly claimed to be only "abortionists". Their first goal is education and supplying low cost or free contraceptives. As a result the need for abortions drop in those areas.

Telling people not to have sex works as well as the Reagan campaign of "Just say no" worked against drug abuse.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I guess he thinks he has enough black votes because he did not help himself by insulting black female journalists.
It shows both Trump's racism, misogyny, but also his lack of emotional control and lack of good judgement.

Reporter: "Mr. Trump, you have been accused of being rude and dismissive to black or female reporters. How do you respond"

Trump: "You are a nasty stupid woman"
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
OK...... but are you opposed to early termination where a woman has been raped, or the foetus is dreadfully handicapped, or the mother's life is at risk?

And do you oppose contraception or the morning after pill?
Not for others. And the mother's life, not life style.

By the way, my daughter's baby showed on multiple ultrasounds to have very undeveloped kidneys - you know, incompatible with life. The hospital even had a neonatal doctor on call when it became apparent that my daughter wasn't going to get an abortion. The baby was 100 percent fine. She's now 21 years old and never had a single problem.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It shows both Trump's racism, misogyny, but also his lack of emotional control and lack of good judgement.

Reporter: "Mr. Trump, you have been accused of being rude and dismissive to black or female reporters. How do you respond"

Trump: "You are a nasty stupid woman"
That was what made that interview so much fun. Trump is very flexible for a man of his age and more than once managed to get both feet in his mouth at the same time. And let's not forget "black jobs" and "Define DEI".
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Just what I said. The mother's actual LIFE needs to be at risk. Not simply her life style.
Would you also agree that it should be a medical decision made by medical experts to determine the risk to the mothers life, not politicians, and not judges and lawyers?

Would you be willing to go further to consider that serious risk to a woman's health should also be considered?
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Harris is half Indian and half Jamaican. Both had been British colonies. She may also have British blood. She was raised primarily by her Indian side, since he parents separated and divorced and was raised by her mother and her family. The reason why Trump brought this up, was to have Harris say that she was not just black, but also Indian. Harris was the one picking a side, and not embracing her multi-racial nature. Shame on her...
Harris has always celebrated both her Indian and African roots, so she has never ceased to point out that she was of mixed race background. The thing is that it never mattered in the days of Jim Crow whether someone had a mixed race background. There was no middle section on the bus for them so that they didn't have to sit all the way in the back. Barack Obama even had a white mother and was raised by that white mother and his white grandparents. It didn't matter. He never got credit from Republicans for that. He still had to deal with birthers like Donald Trump and endure all of the racist comments and photoshopped images in social media. He was counted as black, not mixed-race, because pointing out his white ancestry did not help Republicans win an election.

So now you have the shameless gall to claim that she should feel shame for self-identifying as black in addition to her mother's Indian heritage? Do you think it mattered to her Tamil mother that her two mixed-race daughters weren't fully of African ancestry? She wasn't exactly "white" herself, and she knew exactly what both daughters faced. So she raised them to understand what they faced. They were not going to escape the social stigma of being black in America, but they could learn to be proud of that heritage as well as the Indian side of their family. Donald Trump should be the one to feel shame, but I think that the emotion is alien to him and also to many of his supporters.
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not for others. And the mother's life, not life style.

By the way, my daughter's baby showed on multiple ultrasounds to have very undeveloped kidneys - you know, incompatible with life. The hospital even had a neonatal doctor on call when it became apparent that my daughter wasn't going to get an abortion. The baby was 100 percent fine. She's now 21 years old and never had a single problem.
I did not include 'for lifestyle'.
So you don't oppose contraception, morning after pills or abortion after rape and to save a mother. Many republican states would ban all of those.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I did not include 'for lifestyle'.
So you don't oppose contraception, morning after pills or abortion after rape and to save a mother. Many republican states would ban all of those.
Well, not mine, and I am not responsible for what other states decide.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
I did not include 'for lifestyle'.
So you don't oppose contraception, morning after pills or abortion after rape and to save a mother. Many republican states would ban all of those.
Well, not mine, and I am not responsible for what other states decide.
You defined "life style" as "The mother's actual LIFE needs to be at risk. Not simply her life style." That didn't make a lot of sense, because the word "lifestyle" actually means something else. But the question was quite specific, and you appeared to dodge it by saying that your state didn't ban those things. The question seemed fair to me. It was an attempt to get clarification about what you actually advocate.

Do you oppose the "morning after" pill? Do you oppose abortion in cases where the mother's life is not at risk--for example, rape and incest? These are legitimate issues politically, because many anti-abortion conservatives oppose the morning-after pill and abortion in cases of rape and incest. How do you stand on those issues?
 
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