Mr Trump has questioned Ms Harris's racial identity.

[Copernicus]

Even if every single Indian American voted for Trump, which they won't, the Indian population is about 1/10th that of the African American population. Just to put some things into perspective.

Trump has 17 percent at least of the African American vote, or did, I don't know what the figures are today. But more than Indian Americans.

I should have clarified my remark by saying "a greater percentage of" rather than "in greater numbers", leaving you with the misimpression that I thought they were a larger ethnic/racial demographic than African Americans. In fact, that percentage varies by state, so their numbers will have a bigger impact in some states than others. If one looks at Asians generally as a single demographic, they make up about 15% of the voting population, which is larger than African Americans or Hispanic/Latino Americans. In a close election, even that small slice could be significant for the outcome. However, Trump's remarks might have a greater impact in the minds of those who consider themselves discriminated against for being mixed race regardless of ancestry. About 10% of the American population now self-identifies as "multiracial". It is important to people of minority status that the US treat everyone the same regardless of ancestry.

See

How Will Indian Americans Vote? Results From the 2020 Indian American Attitudes Survey​

Key facts about Asian American eligible voters in 2024​

Multiracial Americans​

An Early Look at Black Voters’ Views on Biden, Trump and Election 2024​

It is almost certain that Trump will not win anything like 17% of the black vote now, since most surveys were about Trump vs Biden, and half of that demographic said that they preferred neither candidate. In a normal election, slightly over 10% of black voters vote or lean Republican, but a larger slice of all Republicans will not be voting for Trump this time around, based on the results that Nikki Haley got in the primaries.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Even if every single Indian American voted for Trump, which they won't, the Indian population is about 1/10th that of the African American population. Just to put some things into perspective.

Trump has 17 percent at least of the African American vote, or did, I don't know what the figures are today. But more than Indian Americans.

That was when Biden was still running. I would not be surprised if that has dropped significantly since then. We will find out in some future poll.

 

[Kathryn]

I should have clarified my remark by saying "a greater percentage of" rather than "in greater numbers", leaving you with the misimpression that I thought they were a larger ethnic/racial demographic than African Americans. In fact, that percentage varies by state, so their numbers will have a bigger impact in some states than others. If one looks at Asians generally as a single demographic, they make up about 15% of the voting population, which is larger than African Americans or Hispanic/Latino Americans. In a close election, even that small slice could be significant for the outcome. However, Trump's remarks might have a greater impact in the minds of those who consider themselves discriminated against for being mixed race regardless of ancestry. About 10% of the American population now self-identifies as "multiracial". It is important to people of minority status that the US treat everyone the same regardless of ancestry.

See

How Will Indian Americans Vote? Results From the 2020 Indian American Attitudes Survey​

Key facts about Asian American eligible voters in 2024​

Multiracial Americans​

An Early Look at Black Voters’ Views on Biden, Trump and Election 2024​

It is almost certain that Trump will not win anything like 17% of the black vote now, since most surveys were about Trump vs Biden, and half of that demographic said that they preferred neither candidate. In a normal election, slightly over 10% of black voters vote or lean Republican, but a larger slice of all Republicans will not be voting for Trump this time around, based on the results that Nikki Haley got in the primaries.

I'm talking about Indian Americans, not Asians in general. Thanks for the effort but I don't need to look further.

 

[Kathryn]

Clearly conservatives are not allowed to discuss the role that race and gender play in all this.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Clearly conservatives are not allowed to discuss the role that race and gender play in all this.

Oh they can. They are quite welcome to. But Trump is not a conservative. Far from it. He is merely an example of all of the worst claimed stereotypes of conservatives all rolled up in one man. I do not think that most conservatives are racists. Trump clearly is. I do not think that most conservatives are sexist. Trump clearly is. I do not believe that all conservatives are corrupt business owners. Trump clearly is. Many of the actual conservatives have left the Republican party due to the MAGA cult.

 

[Kathryn]

Oh they can. They are quite welcome to. But Trump is not a conservative. Far from it. He is merely an example of all of the worst claimed stereotypes of conservatives all rolled up in one man. I do not think that most conservatives are racists. Trump clearly is. I do not think that most conservatives are sexist. Trump clearly is. I do not believe that all conservatives are corrupt business owners. Trump clearly is. Many of the actual conservatives have left the Republican party due to the MAGA cult.

Well, I have not left it but I am definitely not voting for Trump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I have not left it but I am definitely not voting for Trump.

Well that is a start. I know that you have a strong opposition to abortion, but that is not a traditional conservative value either. Both parties used to be divided a bit about the topic.

 

[Kathryn]

Well that is a start. I know that you have a strong opposition to abortion, but that is not a traditional conservative value either. Both parties used to be divided a bit about the topic.

Oh no, I am writing in a candidate. I don't live in a swing state so it won't matter but I can sleep at night, and know I didn't vote for Trump, who I find to be at the very least abrasive. Honestly, I thought it was a joke the first time he ran. I couldn't believe he won! I mean, like I honestly could not believe it. (Didn't vote for him then, either.) I am very opposed to abortion. I am also very opposed to the death penalty! Hey, at least I am consistent.

 

[Copernicus]

I'm talking about Indian Americans, not Asians in general. Thanks for the effort but I don't need to look further.

And I was talking about the impact of Trump's racist remarks generally, not just Indian Americans. I'm not faulting you for misunderstanding my intent. You gave a perfectly reasonable response. The other links were about the greater impact that his remarks might have on minority voting. You yourself mentioned that Trump had enjoyed a 17% positive margin for Trump in the past, so you knew that my post wasn't just concerned with Indian American voting patterns.

 

[Kathryn]

And I was talking about the impact of Trump's racist remarks generally, not just Indian Americans. I'm not faulting you for misunderstanding my intent. You gave a perfectly reasonable response. The other links were about the greater impact that his remarks might have on minority voting.

I get it but I am not voting for Trump anyway so there's that.

 

[Copernicus]

I get it but I am not voting for Trump anyway so there's that.

I know and don't care. That's your prerogative, although I thought you said you were now living in Ohio, which is more of a swing state than Texas. Right now, Trump is well ahead in that state, but we need updated polling to see where he stands with Harris in the running. The Senate race has recently shown Brown to be pulling slightly ahead, although he could still lose. I assume that you'll be voting for the Republican rather than Brown, right?

 

[Kathryn]

I know and don't care. That's your prerogative, although I thought you said you were now living in Ohio, which is more of a swing state than Texas. Right now, Trump is well ahead in that state, but we need updated polling to see where he stands now. The Senate race has recently shown Brown to be pulling slightly ahead, although he could still lose. I assume that you'll be voting for the Republican rather than Brown, right?

I may just throw caution to the wind and vote for Mickey Mouse at this point. I think he is bipartisan, as I am, but I will not vote for Harris, because though she hasn't released her platform, I disagree with too much of the Democratic platform and I feel like she is definitely going to take things to their most extreme.

As I have said, if Ohio becomes a swing state, I will adjust accordingly. So far, it's not though.

 

[Copernicus]

I may just throw caution to the wind and vote for Mickey Mouse at this point. I think he is bipartisan, as I am, but I will not vote for Harris, because though she hasn't released her platform, I disagree with too much of the Democratic platform and I feel like she is definitely going to take things to their most extreme.

As I have said, if Ohio becomes a swing state, I will adjust accordingly. So far, it's not though.

I grew up there. It has always leaned Republican, and it is now thoroughly gerrymandered and about as safe for Republicans as the legislature can get away with. So it is no longer considered much of a swing state. But the state goes through cycles where it swings back and forth because of the large blue collar population in Cuyahoga county and urban areas elsewhere, so I wouldn't rely too much on polling. Mickey Mouse is from Florida and thoroughly woke, thanks to DeSantis. If you want Republican, vote for Goofy.

 

[F1fan]

I do. Race and skin color is far more important than actual qualifications and capabilities of an individual for the left wing.

Yet it's Trump and republicans who keep brining it up. It's almost as if you want to distract from the terrible agenda Trump has, and how popular Harris has become due to her advocacy for women and the average citizen. And it didn't help that Trump was so disresepectful to black journalists.

 

[Soandso]

Clearly conservatives are not allowed to discuss the role that race and gender play in all this.

Who's trying to stop conservatives?

People are free to say what they like, but people are also free to express their disgust. This is the way freedom of speech works

 

[oldbadger]

Clearly conservatives are not allowed to discuss the role that race and gender play in all this.

Go on then. Why don't you tell me about the role that race and gender do play in all this.

 

[oldbadger]

I may just throw caution to the wind and vote for Mickey Mouse at this point. I think he is bipartisan, as I am, but I will not vote for Harris, because though she hasn't released her platform, I disagree with too much of the Democratic platform and I feel like she is definitely going to take things to their most extreme.

As I have said, if Ohio becomes a swing state, I will adjust accordingly. So far, it's not though.

Which parts of the Democratic platform do you not agree with?
And which parts of Trump's platform do you not agree with?

 

[Kathryn]

Which parts of the Democratic platform do you not agree with?
And which parts of Trump's platform do you not agree with?

I am very opposed to abortion.

As for Trump, I am more familiar with his personality and his age, both of which really really turn me off.

 

[We Never Know]

I am very opposed to abortion.

I am against abortion if its done "just because its available". Some people don't or won't use contraceptives because they can go get an abortion.

Teach about and make contraceptives more available to help avoid unwanted pregnancies and decrease abortions.

The morning after pill I have no problem with.

I also have no problem with abortion if the pregnancy is a result of rape, incest, molestation. Or the mothers life is in danger.

 

[Kathryn]

I am against abortion if its done "just because its available". Some people don't or won't use contraceptives because they can go get an abortion.

Teach about and make contraceptives more available to help avoid unwanted pregnancies and decrease abortions.

The morning after pill I have no problem with.

I also have no problem with abortion if the pregnancy is a result of rape, incest, molestation. Or the mothers life is in danger.

Her actual life, not her life style.

I think I agree with you though I might not choose it myself.