Mr Trump has questioned Ms Harris's racial identity.

[Kathryn]

That's a good start, although you would do well to also wonder who is actually being decieved.

You aren't kidding.

 

[Oeste]

LIKE I SAID, I just got a notification on my phone. MSN was saying that Harris had enough delegates to win and that if she wins she will be the first woman, African American woman, and Asian Indian woman to hold the office of President, and she is already the first woman, African American, and Asian Indian to be the vice president.

Ok.

They said this before listing any of her other qualifications.

Not from what you've just told us.

Assuming your posting of the MSN notification is accurate, the "qualification" is that Harris has enough delegates to win. This was listed first, not last.

Who makes an issue of race or gender again?

America made race an issue during its initial founding, not MSN. The gender issue came way before then.

Y'all. We are being played.

Only if we allow ourselves to play along.

Neither race or gender are "listed" as "...other qualifications". The only qualification listed is that she had enough delegates.

Quoting you again, MSN goes on and states that "...if she wins she will be the first woman, African American woman, and Asian Indian woman to hold the office of President...".

I see the word "FIRST" being used by MSN as an "accomplishment", and not a "qualification", but only if she wins. I think it hard to play this any other way.

 

[Spice]

I just got a notification on my phone. MSN was saying that Harris had enough delegates to win and that if she wins she will be the first woman, African American woman, and Asian Indian woman to hold the office of President, and she is already the first woman, African American, and Asian Indian to be the vice president. They said this before listing any of her other qualifications.

And it's worth a "HooRa" as it means our country is progressing. Think back to Shirley Chisholm -- brilliant woman but is she remembered for that? But she is remembered better than Margaret Chase Smith, also brilliant. So I guess color does matter.

 

[Copernicus]

Harris has officially won the nomination. This was not in doubt.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

But there is a big difference in that one side considers racial background a negative factor in her character, and the other a positive factor. America has long proudly advertised itself as a "melting pot" of many nations and races. Our long journey to overcome a deeply embarrassing legacy of racial discrimination is enshrined in history, and we even have a national holiday to celebrate Martin Luther King, Jr., a man who made great strides in overcoming racial barriers to social advancement. Kamala Harris, like Barack Obama, stands as testimony to our ability to now elect people of color to the highest office of government.

One thing about that though, is that the whole american project is imposed on land originally owned by native americans, who I assume did not fully consent to the project occurring here.

I think we are a melting pot, but we are also a nation where federalized states allow people across wide spans of land to practice free association with each other. Meaning, that if you are a Cherokee here, you are free to marry another Cherokee, or if you practice Islam here, you are free to marry and associate with others who practice Islam. What helps all of the diverse people in the country get along, in theory, is the federal state system, so that the diverse peoples of the country don't form individual nations in the same area of the land that we have now. So that induces them to communicate together a bit, and cohere toward the collective protection of one span of property, in theory

I suspect we are probably a melting pot more in terms of ideas, than in actual marriage in a lot of cases, in practice. I kind of do think people stick together in their individual groups more often than not, but if someone has an article proving otherwise, feel free to show me.

I know that at my job on third shift in the factory, I work with a lot of immigrants from around the world, and sometimes I'm the only white guy there. I get along as best as I can with everyone, and we all work toward the common goal of having a shift with good production numbers. But without great effort, I don't think I'd be able to really fit in with their respective groups on a more social level. Likewise, I don't fit in with the whites that I grew up around, who are snobby, and seem to think I shouldn't work a factory job

 

[Copernicus]

One thing about that though, is that the whole american project is imposed on land originally owned by native americans, who I assume did not fully consent to the project occurring here.

Good point. You have just given us a good demonstration of whataboutism. Nobody disputes that there have been past injustices committed by the US government, and my post certainly did not deny that. It is a fact that America prides itself on being a "melting pot", even if we have fallen short of allowing chunks in that pot to "melt" properly. Maybe the "Canadian mosaic" is a better metaphor. Celebrate our diversity.

I think we are a melting pot, but we are also a nation where federalized states allow people across wide spans of land to practice free association with each other. Meaning, that if you are a Cherokee here, you are free to marry another Cherokee, or if you practice Islam here, you are free to marry and associate with others who practice Islam. What helps all of the diverse people in the country get along, in theory, is the federal state system, so that the diverse peoples of the country don't form individual nations in the same area of the land that we have now. So that induces them to communicate together a bit, and cohere toward the collective protection of one span of property, in theory

Again, this is not in dispute or relevant to my post.

I suspect we are probably a melting pot more in terms of ideas, than in actual marriage in a lot of cases, in practice. I kind of do think people stick together in their individual groups more often than not, but if someone has an article proving otherwise, feel free to show me.

Again, nobody is disputing that the US is not a "perfect union." The idea is to keep trying to make it a "more perfect union". There is no need to show you anything. We are all aware of our history. Well, at least most of us are.

I know that at my job on third shift in the factory, I work with a lot of immigrants from around the world, and sometimes I'm the only white guy there. I get along as best as I can with everyone, and we all work toward the common goal of having a shift with good production numbers. But without great effort, I don't think I'd be able to really fit in with their respective groups on a more social level. Likewise, I don't fit in with the whites that I grew up around, who are snobby, and seem to think I shouldn't work a factory job

IMO, you are lucky to be gifted with that kind of exposure to those different perspectives. That's what makes us a melting pot. It's an opportunity to see the world through different eyes. Make a lot of friends. You won't regret it. They may even feel like they want to socialize with you.

 

[anna.]

Who are Kamala Harris’ parents? What to know about Shyamala Gopalan and Donald Harris

Above is a link to some of Harris's memoirs, about her childhood and upbringing. She was very close to her Indian Relatives, with her mother raising her and her sister, as a single mom, after her mother and father separated and divorced. Her mother had to two loves, which was her two daughters and her breast cancer research. Both daughters were given Indian names. Her father although separated continued to be part of her life.

On a summer evening in 1978, Donald Harris took his two young daughters to the Greek Theatre in Berkeley, Calif., to their first concert.
Kamala, the girl who would become vice president, was the eldest at 13. As she watched Bob Marley and the Wailers sing and sway at the outdoor arena on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley, she found herself mesmerized.

“We sat up top in the back of the theater and, as I watched the performance, I was in complete awe,” Harris said in an email to The Washington Post. “To this day, I know the lyrics to nearly every Bob Marley song.”

The experience was meant to be more than musical. Her father, a prominent Jamaican economics professor teaching at Stanford, was trying to imbue his two American-born girls with a sense of pride in their roots. Like the Harrises, Marley was from a parish on the north coast of the island called St. Ann.

“My father, like so many Jamaicans, has immense pride in our Jamaican heritage and instilled that same pride in my sister and me,” Harris wrote. “We love Jamaica. He taught us the history of where we’re from, the struggles and beauty of the Jamaican people, and the richness of the culture.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/donald-kamala-harris-father/

 

[Pogo]

On a summer evening in 1978, Donald Harris took his two young daughters to the Greek Theatre in Berkeley, Calif., to their first concert.
Kamala, the girl who would become vice president, was the eldest at 13. As she watched Bob Marley and the Wailers sing and sway at the outdoor arena on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley, she found herself mesmerized.

“We sat up top in the back of the theater and, as I watched the performance, I was in complete awe,” Harris said in an email to The Washington Post. “To this day, I know the lyrics to nearly every Bob Marley song.”

The experience was meant to be more than musical. Her father, a prominent Jamaican economics professor teaching at Stanford, was trying to imbue his two American-born girls with a sense of pride in their roots. Like the Harrises, Marley was from a parish on the north coast of the island called St. Ann.

“My father, like so many Jamaicans, has immense pride in our Jamaican heritage and instilled that same pride in my sister and me,” Harris wrote. “We love Jamaica. He taught us the history of where we’re from, the struggles and beauty of the Jamaican people, and the richness of the culture.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/donald-kamala-harris-father/

On a summer evening in 1978, Donald Harris took his two young daughters to the Greek Theatre in Berkeley, Calif., to their first concert.
Kamala, the girl who would become vice president, was the eldest at 13. As she watched Bob Marley and the Wailers sing and sway at the outdoor arena on the campus of the University of California at Berkeley, she found herself mesmerized.

“We sat up top in the back of the theater and, as I watched the performance, I was in complete awe,” Harris said in an email to The Washington Post. “To this day, I know the lyrics to nearly every Bob Marley song.”

The experience was meant to be more than musical. Her father, a prominent Jamaican economics professor teaching at Stanford, was trying to imbue his two American-born girls with a sense of pride in their roots. Like the Harrises, Marley was from a parish on the north coast of the island called St. Ann.

“My father, like so many Jamaicans, has immense pride in our Jamaican heritage and instilled that same pride in my sister and me,” Harris wrote. “We love Jamaica. He taught us the history of where we’re from, the struggles and beauty of the Jamaican people, and the richness of the culture.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/donald-kamala-harris-father/

Yup, If she grew up in the flats on Bancroft and went to school in Thousand Oaks in Berkeley she knows all about growing up in a multi-racial, multi-cultural environment, something Donald obviously does not and never will understand at all. With academic parents, she would have been exposed to most of the civil rights movement while living it in an area that went from one end of the economic strata to the other in the few miles between the industrial flatlands by the bay and the estates at the top of the hill.
I only lived there for a few years when she would have been a young teenager but coming from semi rural Illinois where we had to clean up the football field if the sheep had gotten out and everybody was white to Berkeley with its multitudes of races figuring out how to live together and respect their histories at the same time was an education for me and everybody that was living there at the time.

 

[Revoltingest]

Exactly how low can Donald Trump descend?

How deep is a bottomless pit?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think you're totally missing the point.

What's the point?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Has Kamala refuted Orange man, or has she done nothing more than get triggered by what he's claiming about her?

What's to refute?

And what does her race have to do with her ability to be the President?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh don't worry. The chameleon woman will switch her race when it's convenient to-do so.

I do. Race and skin color is far more important than actual qualifications and capabilities of an individual for the left wing.

Oh my, such projection.

 

[SkepticThinker]

LOL maybe in part it's because I have four kids. Who happen to be biracial.

I have a niece and nephew whom are multi-racial. I think a lot of people do.
And I think this line of attack is going to backfire bigtime for the Republicans, for this reason.
Which is why I say, keep it up Republicans!!

 

[SkepticThinker]

That an individual's ethnicity isn't what makes them a good or bad person, only their character.

This seems to be something that socialists & folks on the political Left can't seem to understand or accept.

I agree with this 100%. I don't know any liberals who disagree with this.

The above is my point.

This thread is about Trump trying to play the race card against Kamala Harris. Last time I checked, Trump isn't on the "political left."

 

[SkepticThinker]

It's sad to be in a society where race is the most important in terms of priorities as if it's absolutely essential over anything else out there.

All that does is proves to people that racism actually is a valid path to take because the emphasis on skin color alone is now a preferred means to an end.

I'd rather see a society where a person's chosen because of their qualifications and abilities regardless of skin color, but instead they do the opposite of skin color first, qualifications second.

It's essentially the same racist philosophies used by the worst of humanity turned around now and pointed in yet another direction solving nothing.

Cool. Now write this down, and send it to Trump.

 

[Kathryn]

I have a niece and nephew whom are multi-racial. I think a lot of people do.
And I think this line of attack is going to backfire bigtime for the Republicans, for this reason.
Which is why I say, keep it up Republicans!!

These are my own, grown kids by the way. They sprang from my own loins so to speak!

 

[fantome profane]

Has Kamala refuted Orange man, or has she done nothing more than get triggered by what he's claiming about her?

What exactly is it that needs refuting?


(edit - And while you are answering that question, also)

And what did she say that lead you to think she was triggered?