Muhammads knowledge divine or learned?

[Shad]

1. The Torah was taught as part of Jewish education since the Second Temple period. Everyone was taught this. Secondary education, 16+ had classes which were strictly religious.

2. Information which was available at the time since there were Christian and Jewish Tribes in Arabia.

3. He talked with Rabbi's in the Quran. Mecca had several Jewish tribes surround the area as did Medina. Lets not pretend Arabia was in some sort of vacuum which contains not knowledge of Judaism or Christianity.

4. Considering a number of poets in Muhammad's own criticized his work this not true. Also a number of these poets were killed later for criticizing Muhammad he took it personally. It is your ideology which demands this which I reject. Also considering the Quran has grammer mistakes how can be it perfect. Errors contradicts the concept of perfection.

5. Which are easy to refute and have been for a long time. Water falling from the sky is obvious for anyone looking up in a storm. The Big Bang miracle is factually incorrect one only needs to compare the two. Post hoc rationalization and poor scientific knowledge turns these into miracles due to your ignorance.

 

[outhouse]

No one can deny using logic and reason that muhammad plagiarized the bible


The whole world views it as plagiarized

wiki

From a modern scholarly perspective, similarities between Biblical and Quranic accounts of the same person or event are evidence for the influence of pre-existing traditions on the composition of the Qur'an.




This means everyone educated, see's it as plagiarized

 

[Aupmanyav]

Absolutely divine and it knew what was happening in the world. When Mohammad took the vow that he would not engage in sex for one month the divine voice advised him not to trouble himself. When Mohammad wanted to marry the wife of his step son, the divine command was that it is 'halal'. When Mohammad wanted to visit Aisha more times than her turn allowed, the divine voice said it was not necessary for Mohammad to look at the calendar. As I said - absolutely divine.

 

[outhouse]

Absolutely divine .

Wow then the divine person he was talking to was not smart?


Why would the divine tell muhammad only Israels and christians mythology and claim it real knowing it is factual mythology and never happened???


maybe you have proof :biglaugh:

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Muhammad in Mecca, Mecca was pastor of community al ---nasranea

This Pastor named Ibn Nawfal
This was the pastor's cousin Mohammed and another priest named Abdullah ibn alhoirth to leave Mecca and died in Syria, did not believe in Mohammed
Pastor paper was translated into the book of Hebrew to Arabic
This Pastor is married to Khadija
For information that Mohammed has been associated with marriage?
Attended by so Monsignor
The more I get a copy of the book priest and Prophet and you will know the truth and the source of the teachings of Muhammad
In the Qur'an
The meccan Koran is a copy of that book is Hebrew
And verses from Medina
The verses are contrary to the first
It was the start of a new colonial expansion
Swept the world and made him the blood of the volcano over the past 1,400 years
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The only reference to the Quran Ibn Nawfal
A chill-revelations-any interruption of revelation
In the period in which the revelation did not come down
This is the period in which Ibn Nawfal
For more information refer to the written explanation
That indicates
And thewaraka died after revelation
That is when he died Ibn Nawfal was a revelation
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[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Muhammad learned from two sources
Ibn Nawfal, cousin and a priest in Mecca
And the Nestorian monk bahira in the Levant
And from these two sources, wrote Muhammad the Quran
And a meccan verses from the teachings of these
Verses in the Medina are contrary to those verses and a copier
To understand the sources of Islam we should know the difference between the verses revealed in Makkah
And between the verses written in Medina
And say the emergence of Angel Gabriel is just an Islamic inventions
When Muhammad came to his wife Khadija
Telling him what I dissembled told her such and such
And the novel is known to Muslims
Question how do you know that Muhammad is the Prophet of Khadija
Are you Khadija also Nabih
And how he knew that Novell that Mohammad Nabi was the paper a prophet also
It inventions and illusions of Muslims to establish the prophecy is not valid
For more see the books of Saheeh Al-bukhaari in old prints
The new revised editions of EE information and where is hidden the truth from the people
Simples
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[Britedream]

Muhammad learned from two sources
Ibn Nawfal, cousin and a priest in Mecca
And the Nestorian monk bahira in the Levant
And from these two sources, wrote Muhammad the Quran
And a meccan verses from the teachings of these
Verses in the Medina are contrary to those verses and a copier
To understand the sources of Islam we should know the difference between the verses revealed in Makkah
And between the verses written in Medina
And say the emergence of Angel Gabriel is just an Islamic inventions
When Muhammad came to his wife Khadija
Telling him what I dissembled told her such and such
And the novel is known to Muslims
Question how do you know that Muhammad is the Prophet of Khadija
Are you Khadija also Nabih
And how he knew that Novell that Mohammad Nabi was the paper a prophet also
It inventions and illusions of Muslims to establish the prophecy is not valid
For more see the books of Saheeh Al-bukhaari in old prints
The new revised editions of EE information and where is hidden the truth from the people
Simples
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With all respect, it is extermly poor thinking, The Jews, Christian, and Idol's worshiper, in his time , know Mohammed pbuh more than you know your mouth, and their desire to discredit him many times more than yours, yet they did not hang on such claims. this is for you and for the others who put themself in such folish position of thinking, to revist their thought that contradicts with sound judgment.

 

[outhouse]

With all respect, .

You do not respect mush of anything.

If your book says not to you wont, right or wrong.


All credible people claim your book is plagiarized

Not a single historian uses it for its claims made, because they know it is historically worthless.

And no amount of reason or logic will get you to see the truth, because of the required fanaticism.

 

[Britedream]

You do not respect mush of anything.

If your book says not to you wont, right or wrong.


All credible people claim your book is plagiarized

Not a single historian uses it for its claims made, because they know it is historically worthless.

And no amount of reason or logic will get you to see the truth, because of the required fanaticism.

You are really poor in thinking let alone Knowledge, and history.


What make you think I care about what you think, or your historian, if you have a prove show it to me, playing with words, and empty claims get you no where.

 

[outhouse]

You are really poor in thinking let alone Knowledge, and history.


What make you think I care about what you think, or your historian, if you have a prove show it to me, playing with words, and empty claims get you no where.

You have refused every credible source placed forward.

You have defied every logical and reasonable conclusion.


Your fanaticism stops you from accepting what is known as common knowledge. You cannot see it, because you don't have open education to understand both sides here. You only know your mythology and imagination.


You never stop claiming magic and supernatural sources as credible. Sorry they are not.

 

[Britedream]

You have refused every credible source placed forward.

You have defied every logical and reasonable conclusion.


Your fanaticism stops you from accepting what is known as common knowledge. You cannot see it, because you don't have open education to understand both sides here. You only know your mythology and imagination.


You never stop claiming magic and supernatural sources as credible. Sorry they are not.

I have no time for kid's stuff, stay where you belong.

 

[outhouse]

FANATICISM

You have refused every credible source placed forward.

You have defied every logical and reasonable conclusion.


Your fanaticism stops you from accepting what is known as common knowledge. You cannot see it, because you don't have open education to understand both sides here. You only know your mythology and imagination.


You never stop claiming magic and supernatural sources as credible. Sorry they are not.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

FANATICISM

You have refused every credible source placed forward.

You have defied every logical and reasonable conclusion.


Your fanaticism stops you from accepting what is known as common knowledge. You cannot see it, because you don't have open education to understand both sides here. You only know your mythology and imagination.


You never stop claiming magic and supernatural sources as credible. Sorry they are not.

They're parrots
Christ said
They have eyes and not see
They have ears and not hear
When they had all the facts from books and from their books
But say no this is not Islam
When I tell them the verse as well as
Say you do you explain the verse is not valid
She tells him
This interpretation of the Muslim world, DOE is the companions of Mohammed says no
These Israeli women
And the real
They don't want to move their minds
This is a problem?
The simple are subject to brainwashing
The myth of the word of God and the House of God
And the last Prophet
And the seal of the prophets
And all this without evidence and proof
The last Prophet is the leader of terrorism in modern times
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[vskipper]

This question is nothing more than a practice in circular reasoning. There is no way of affirming or denying if Muhammad (saw) was in contact with Christians or Jews before the time of revelation.


Here are the things that are certain:

1. Muhammad(saw) was illiterate.
2. Even if Muhammad (saw) wasn't illiterate it wouldn't matter as there wasnt a great number of written cannons distributed and it was in Greek

 

[Shad]

Yes there is considering biographies cover his life before Islam and during it. He had contact with both religions. To think otherwise is absurd. Also one does not need to read to learn. He could of been told about any number of texts. Considering literacy was low this is how most people learned. Oral tradition was normal in his day.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What make you think I care about what you think, or your historian, if you have a prove show it to me, playing with words, and empty claims get you no where.

Right. Everybody has the right to believe what they believe, whether Jews believe that Moses saw the hind parts of YHWH, or Christians think of virgin birth of Jesus, or Muslims think that Mohammad visited heaven on Burraq, or Hindus believe that Lord Vishnu took nine forms. There is no question of historicity, biology, logic, morals or anything else. It is belief.

 

[vskipper]

Yes there is considering biographies cover his life before Islam and during it. He had contact with both religions. To think otherwise is absurd. Also one does not need to read to learn. He could of been told about any number of texts. Considering literacy was low this is how most people learned. Oral tradition was normal in his day.

Cannon was limited to officials of the church. That is known fact of church history. Not saying he didn't have contact. I am saying that knowledge of him having substantial contact with Christians or Jews before the revelation at Mt Hira is unobtainable. While there are many biographies of the prophet there is little documentation before Mt. Hira & even less about his merchant travels.

However, you are correct that oral tradition was substantial in his time. But to go that route you would first have to argue that the Israelites didn't get their ideas in religion from Babylon & Egypt

 

[outhouse]

Everybody has the right to believe what they believe,.

No

Not really true.

While freedom of speech lets you say what you want, you cannot go into a crowded place and scream fire or bomb.

We dont let ignorance rule the world

There is no question of historicity, biology, logic, morals or anything else. It is belief.

So by your own words there is no such thing as education and knowledge, and we should all go back to living like primitive animals? because it is just belief?

 

[outhouse]

. But to go that route you would first have to argue that the Israelites didn't get their ideas in religion from Babylon & Egypt

There is not a credible scholar out there that denies the OT was not plagiarized from Canaanite, and Mesopotamian mythology.


The NT was plagiarized from the OT and Hellenism. Luke and Matthew plagiarized Mark


and islam plagiarized it all.


This is only debated because 1.5 billion people are blind to reality in islam and refuse credible knowledge in favor of fanaticism and fundamentalism.