Muhammed on South Park

[The Voice of Reason]

In the case of Family Guy poking fun at Osama Bin Laden and Hitler, different story because those two are not sacred prophets.

That's the very essence of humor. The fact that someone considers Muhammed to be a "Sacred Prophet" is exactly what opens him up to the comedians.

There is even talk of this South Park episode being the cause of the bomb scare in Times Square over the weekend.

Yes, and there are people that believe Elvis and JFK are still alive.

 

[monta]

People taking their ridiculous crap too seriously is the problem with the world, not people pointing out people taking their ridiculous crap too seriously.

People are taking, people taking this crap too seriously, too seriously. Just thought I'd point that out

 

[Kilgore Trout]

People are taking, people taking this crap too seriously, too seriously. Just thought I'd point that out

I suppose if people taking their ridiculous crap too seriously results in them murdering people, then it may deserve some serious attention.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I suppose if people taking their ridiculous crap too seriously results in them murdering people, then it may deserve some serious attention.

Seriously.

 

[monta]

I suppose if people taking their ridiculous crap too seriously results in them murdering people, then it may deserve some serious attention.

If taking whose ridiculous crap too seriously? Some morons with a ****** website?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If taking whose ridiculous crap too seriously? Some morons with a ****** website?

Whoever takes their ridiculous crap too seriously. There's no shortage.

 

[linwood]

There is even talk of this South Park episode being the cause of the bomb scare in Times Square over the weekend.

So your solution to this idiocy is for an entire culture to bow before it?

I think not.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

So your solution to this idiocy is for an entire culture to bow before it?

I think not.

Well, that's how Xerxes the Great did it.

Of course, there was that small disagreement at Thermopylae ...

 

[.lava]

The point is, secular people do not agree that any ideology is above satire, mockery or criticism. If the creators of South Park are willing to put their lives on the line for this principle it reflects only upon the extremism of certain Muslims, not on the secular ideology of West. They haven't done any violence to anyone, yet they might be murdered by Muslims because of something they wrote. Yes, they know it. But that only means that if it happens they will become "martyrs" of the ideology of free speech to us.

I don't agree. The principle of free speech is completely meaningless if people are not allowed to use it if somebody somewhere might be offended. Nobody could say anything. Even Muslims would not be allowed to say anything for fear of being murdered by evolutionists.

Would you rather live in a world where people of conflicting ideologies simply murder each other to shut each other up, or a world where people's opinions are freely expressed and the most convincing argument wins the hearts of the people without any violence, or threat of violence?

In the West, we prefer the latter.

i sincerely can't see why you're telling me all of this.

i have nothing against free speech but that's not to say it should be abused. there are dozens of ways to express your opinion and it is your choice to insult and to provoke people while doing it so. it is a choice. i am not saying this is normal or i like it. no. people should not be puppets. but we can't really control everyone, can we? though i have nothing to do with death threats or violent reactions, i still find myself dealing with it because some guy or guys did something stupid. it is not the speech or opinion itself i would stand against. i just don't consider it to be divine to cause hatred; to do it knowingly is a disgrace. IMO both sides did it. those Americans by using Mohammad SAW as their tool of mockery and those Muslims who sent out death threats. they might seem wearing different uniforms but they're playing the same game, they both serve the same thing which could be said shortly as "seperation".

divine unites

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[.lava]

I think you misunderstand western values.

and i think you misunderstand me. IMO there's no such thing called "Western values". there are Western cultures and Eastern cultures. we are both different and similar. different because we experience different cultures; similar because we are both human and we can understand each other. values are related to humanity, not to culture directly. whatever you or i value might be different thanks to differencies of cultures and beliefs but why we value things, our reasons are similar. we are both human so we both care for certain things.

Many of us are willing to die for the principle of free speech, and satire is part of this. The more hysterical and violent the reaction of Muslims is to satirical depictions of Mohammed, the more Western artists will mock him.

then Western artists would not be serving peace.

Honestly, the only way to minimize the occurrence of satirical depictions of Islam in the West is to ignore them. Artists in general are attention-seekers. By paying such attention to what they offer you are giving them exactly what they crave and inspiring other western artists to follow.

i agree with that.

I sympathize with the makers of South Park. I too am willing to risk my life for free speech. On the off chance this characteristic results in my murder by some hysterical extremist with no sense of perspective than so be it: at least I lived an honest life.

Maybe they are too sensitive. If mocking words can break your heart or rock your faith your heart is fragile and your faith is weak.

lol i face mockery on forums and in my life. it is part of my reality. if mockery alone breaks my heart, geez, i would be devistating. bloodshed goes on, people kill each other, women, children and old people die in cross fire, i can't do anything... then people demand other to change because they believe they are better. noone wants to sacrifice even a tiny piece to make this world better. so instead we sacrifice lives and lives and lives..

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[.lava]

If Muslims could learn to cope with criticism without resorting to violence, that would be very positive. IMO the only way to accomplish this is to keep subjecting them to criticism and satire until they realize it is not worth killing people for what basically amounts to nothing more than lines on paper or objectionable words hanging in the air. If non-Muslims bend to demands that Islam alone - of all the world's ideologies - can not be the subject of any criticism or satire, Muslims will never have to confront the disparity between the minor evil of the words that offend them and the major evil of the murderous violence they wreak in retaliation. Therefore the violence will continue.

among over billion people there would be a bunch who would offer violence. existence of that bunch of men are used by Western. the reason is not a social duty or to serve humanity. there is a war against Muslims. simple that is

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[xkatz]

Wrong place delete this.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Still, making jokes about an Islamic prophet who is very important to them is like walking on eggshells. There is such a thing as a limit.

And what is the limit? Who decides?

 

[darkendless]

among over billion people there would be a bunch who would offer violence. existence of that bunch of men are used by Western. the reason is not a social duty or to serve humanity. there is a war against Muslims. simple that is

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I wouldn't call it a war. I guess you havn't seen how almost everything is criticized in the west. Its just muslims take it to heart.

Its not a war because in all honesty i wouldn't take death threats seriously. Not in the west anyway. Its all talk, ego boasting. TBH no one really gives a damn what radical muslims think about Southpark as long as we all had a laugh which we did.

When radical muslims do things like this, a whole lot of goes on in the west.

 

[Commoner]

among over billion people there would be a bunch who would offer violence. existence of that bunch of men are used by Western. the reason is not a social duty or to serve humanity. there is a war against Muslims. simple that is

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Among hundreds of millions of "Westerns" there are a bunch who seem to be at war with Muslims. They are used by Muslims to cry: "persecution!", whenever members of their faith misbehave.

Lava, under Sharia law, "mocking the prophet" is a punishable offense. You can't say this is just a few individuals who have a warped view of your faith that think like that. Sorry, you might not be a part of that culture, but a humongous number of Muslims are.

 

[Commoner]

faith is answer to what exactly? to me, faith is the result, not the reason, specially in the beginning

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Sorry for the late response, I must have missed your answer.

Well, I was trying to get you to give me an example of how scripture - that is, the inerrant word of god - would be useful. Where would you, when failing to find the answer to a question yourself, rely on the Qur'an?

Because, when you said:

something wrong with that kind of "thinking"? i believe you are being nice cos it is not thinking at all. that's not how we live or experience religion. we do ask questions. we have to. majority would assume faith is blind. i think not. while you still have your intellect, following something else blindly is not even humane. intellect is a tool for us and it has to be used. there are somethings beyond my intellect, for sure. there i would hold on to my faith. but what we are talking about is not really beyond human mind

...you seemed to imply that there are cases in which our intellect fails us and when it does, we use faith. I just assumed you meant that we use answers from scripture, but maybe I misunderstood.

 

[JMorris]

i have nothing against free speech but that's not to say it should be abused.

with all due respect .lava, i dont think you know what freedom of speech is.

 

[monta]

with all due respect .lava, i dont think you know what freedom of speech is.

I think you mean freedom of expression, we are all learning it seems.

 

[Commoner]

I think you mean freedom of expression, we are all learning it seems.

Hey, here's something to learn - nitpicking is usually not very constructive, hence it is rarely well received.

 

[monta]

Hey, here's something to learn - nitpicking is usually not very constructive, hence it is rarely well received.

Just so you know my nitpicking *** is laughing heartily at the irony of your statement on 2 wonderful levels, firstly I was mocking Jmorris in a friendly way, for ''schooling'' .lava on free speech, but doing so incorrectly, and secondly pointing out that some of the people in this thread, who are freneticlally screaming about how their constitutional rights are being curtailed don't know what the **** they are talking about isn't nitpicking. On some matters ambiguity is not acceptable.