Muhammed on South Park

[Ben Dhyan]

lol what a wonderfully trustworthy source you've got there. so was this simply supposed to prove that you trust the crazed rantings of random bloggers?

Revolution Muslim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Revolution Muslim is a radical Islamist organization and movement based in New York City that advocates the re-establishment of a structured Islamic state, terrorism both in the United States and in democratic countries around the world, the removal of the current rulers in heavily Muslim populated nations, the destruction of Israel, and an end to what they consider "western imperialism".
Background
The group of 5-10 members devoted to Abdullah el-Faisal was run by Yousef al-Khattab, born Joseph Cohen, an American Jew who converted to Islam in 2000 after living in Israel and attending an orthodox rabbinical school there, then returned to New York,[1][3][4] where he is said to have worked driving a taxi,[5] operating a pedicab,[6] or running a restaurant.[7] In December, 2009, al-Khattab said he would be temporarily outside of the United States during a protest outside his home in Woodside, Queens planned by the Jewish Defense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNwTzhpNqws

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I also wonder what made ben make the leap from the fact that the founder of the group may have been a former Jew to claiming its a conspiracy.

Not sure that this type of hyping of a TV show to get maximum publicity counts as conspiracy but it is not all that unusual in showbizz Caladan.

 

[JMorris]

Revolution Muslim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sarcastic response #1:

you mean to tell me that some current muslim extremists were born with different names & converted from different religions? im shocked!

sarcastic response #2:

well thats all the evidence i need to believe in this unfounded conspiracy theory!

your free to chose the sarcastic response that you prefer.

 

[Commoner]

yes, it really goes beyond and i've been there. imagine there is something that makes you happy without causing any damage but you don't know how it happens. it is something like that. so more than words, my experience speaks to me. though that's not to say i have all the answers about it but geez i am curious to know, yes. so in case you assume my experience with practices of Islam is "empty" and i follow something else with no evidence at all please check out yourself and your understanding of my path. don't expect my privacy to be limited by your expectations, friend. it goes beyond there as well.

There are a lot of things that make us happy. Sure, I have quirky little things I do that bring me joy for no particular reason - and that's exactly why I continue to do them. But what you seem to be suggesting is that there is something more to one of those things - not that it just happens to make you happy (which is fine), but that there is an actual reason that doing something in a particular order, in a particular way, that it actually produce a special effect - that's what I'm criticizing, not that you do something that makes you happy.

how so?

...i'd have negative consequences only if i skip my practices
.

Exactly, you believe - without any good reason - that not doing this specific thing can have negative consequences. In what way is that different than spitting over your shoulder to avoid years of bad luck?

 

[seraphim81]

I just think that there are certain lines that comedy should not even cross.

 

[JMorris]

I just think that there are certain lines that comedy should not even cross.

which lines?

 

[seraphim81]

which lines?

Lines that make fun of religion and/or religious prophets, and leaders.

 

[JMorris]

Lines that make fun of religion and/or religious prophets, and leaders.

is this a belief that you think should be enforced with a law? or something you think we should voluntarily abide by on an individual basis?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Lines that make fun of religion and/or religious prophets, and leaders.

Those are exactly the people that should be the target of comedy. Placing religious or political leaders on a pedestal leads to demagoguery.

Better to question them, openly and in the light of day. Make them defend who they are and what they do.

 

[.lava]

There are a lot of things that make us happy. Sure, I have quirky little things I do that bring me joy for no particular reason - and that's exactly why I continue to do them. But what you seem to be suggesting is that there is something more to one of those things - not that it just happens to make you happy (which is fine), but that there is an actual reason that doing something in a particular order, in a particular way, that it actually produce a special effect - that's what I'm criticizing, not that you do something that makes you happy.

eh..are we riding around circles? you asked me for an example where i hold on to my faith. so i talked about ablution. ablution always makes me feel better and if i don't do it i usually feel "heavy". when i perform it i feel as if i just woke up and ready to move. great feeling. so i know it works and i know i love it. as time goes by i learn details about it but there are things that i don't know. though i still trust everything about it because i am wtiness its help on my path. now you are sort of telling me that that's not what i am experiencing. is that correct?

Exactly, you believe - without any good reason -

hold on there tiger. "without any good reason"? i need you to explain me what makes you say that.

...that not doing this specific thing can have negative consequences. In what way is that different than spitting over your shoulder to avoid years of bad luck?

i don't even know how to compare those two. i don't believe in luck. when you say "years of bad luck" well that's another problem because i basically live in the moment because that's all i have. so i either feel fine or not and it happens right now. if i fail now, i feel sad or bad now but as soon as i start to do the right thing i'd be fine. in other words, yes, everything has consequences, everything i do or don't. so if you are one of those who believe in bad luck of years, then i think you need to experience it. i love black cats, never saw them cause me anything bad in a extraordinary way. let's say you refused to spit and suffered for it for years, then we may talk about it. unlike ablution, i have no experience like that. do you have any?

.

 

[seraphim81]

Those are exactly the people that should be the target of comedy. Placing religious or political leaders on a pedestal leads to demagoguery.

Better to question them, openly and in the light of day. Make them defend who they are and what they do.

I'm not trying to sound like a leader or whatever and I apologize if it sounds like I am. However, I dont mind craking jokes aimed at politicians because let's face it, they lie and deserved to be made fun of. I think of them sometimes as demons but then again, that would be an insult to demons.:cold: But demons lie and so do politicians. I am just a little uncomfortable around jokes made about religious leaders and prophets.

 

[*Anne*]

I am just a little uncomfortable around jokes made about religious leaders and prophets.

I understand. There are times when I'm uncomfortable with it too. I look at it as a trade off though. That which gives them the right to openly mock something sacred also gives us the right to speak out on issues.

 

[seraphim81]

I understand. There are times when I'm uncomfortable with it too. I look at it as a trade off though. That which gives them the right to openly mock something sacred also gives us the right to speak out on issues.

True.

 

[Perfect Circle]

I'm not trying to sound like a leader or whatever and I apologize if it sounds like I am. However, I dont mind craking jokes aimed at politicians because let's face it, they lie and deserved to be made fun of. I think of them sometimes as demons but then again, that would be an insult to demons.:cold: But demons lie and so do politicians. I am just a little uncomfortable around jokes made about religious leaders and prophets.

I'm personally uncomfortable with watching most slasher films. It makes me uncomfortable to see someone dismembered. I'm a little offended by it. So what do I do..? I just don't watch those movies. The same exact process of "not participating in things I don't like" can be applied to this situation as well.

 

[seraphim81]

I'm personally uncomfortable with watching most slasher films. It makes me uncomfortable to see someone dismembered. I'm a little offended by it. So what do I do..? I just don't watch those movies. The same exact process of "not participating in things I don't like" can be applied to this situation as well.

You make a very good point.