Musk bought Twitter

[Estro Felino]

Gorgeous Elon did it. bravo

 

[Spirit of Light]

Gorgeous Elon did it. bravo

May i ask why it is a good thing?

 

[Estro Felino]

May i ask why it is a good thing?

Why isnt it?

 

[Augustus]

Bear in mind the previous owners of Twitter were a collection of hedge funds, investment banks and the Saudi government, not exactly champions of the common man with unfettered public good at heart.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Why isnt it?

To have one person controlling multiple International companies as Musk do, qre not good for the marked. When He has control like he do now it is a bad thing.

imho

 

[Estro Felino]

Agrawal said:

Our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation ... [and to] focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed.

Well...I guess we should go forward. Not backward, as for free speech.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Gorgeous Elon did it. bravo

A win for freedom of speech and a nail in the coffin of censorship.

I hope.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

A win for freedom of speech and a nail in the coffin of censorship.

I hope.

You’re right, it could go sideways fast. More lying about election fraud. More lying about CoViD. More lying about Global Warming. More lying about violent diseased “Mexicans”. More screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater. More Ethiopian princes who need to hide their millions in your bank account, for which they will gladly pay you.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You’re right, it could go sideways fast. More lying about election fraud. More lying about CoViD. More lying about Global Warming. More lying about violent diseased “Mexicans”. More screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater. More Ethiopian princes who need to hide their millions in your bank account, for which they will gladly pay you.

So? Big deal.

That for each individual to decide for him or herself what's actually true or not.

 

[Estro Felino]

You’re right, it could go sideways fast. More lying about election fraud. More lying about CoViD. More lying about Global Warming. More lying about violent diseased “Mexicans”. More screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater. More Ethiopian princes who need to hide their millions in your bank account, for which they will gladly pay you.

Why should someone feel bothered by the stories others tell?
I will not prevent someone from saying that horses can fly.
He is free to say that horses can fly.
If they believe him, that's not my problem.

As Voltaire said..."I do not agree with your statement , but I will fight, so you have the right to say it, I will fight to death."

 

[Lyndon]

Musk has a lot of history of censoring free speech in his social media accounts and businesses, free speech my ***.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Why should someone feel bothered by the stories others tell?
I will not prevent someone from saying that horses can fly.
He is free to say that horses can fly.
If they believe him, that's not my problem.

As Voltaire said..."I do not agree with your statements, but I will fight, so you have the right to say it, I will fight to death."

You seem to have a very plane (as in all the same) view of humans - as to all being able to discern truth from fiction - but they aren't so and hence why such idealistic freedoms might not be so useful. Why would anyone want something so powerful to be under the control of one individual? Like to see Putin take over such?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Agrawal said:




Well...I guess we should go forward. Not backward, as for free speech.

A win for freedom of speech and a nail in the coffin of censorship.

I hope.

Musk's track record doesn't lead me to believe he's exactly a consistent champion of free speech either. As I said in another thread, he has a history of censoring and lashing out at speech he doesn't like:

No, I don't believe Musk's aim is to "liberate" Twitter. In general, he has demonstrated that he doesn't uphold free speech when he doesn't like its results:

Elon Musk ruthlessly cleaned house of any Tesla workers who disagreed or got in his way, a new book says

Elon Musk calls British diver in Thai cave rescue 'pedo' in baseless attack

This story is also reported both in conservative- and liberal-leaning sources:

Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech reviews on YouTube

Tesla employee fired after driverless tech YouTube reviews

I don't use Twitter and believe it has always been toxic, so I don't care much about this news. I only hope that the acquisition doesn't allow one individual to exert disproportionate or harmful influence on social and political discourse through his wealth. This specific situation wouldn't be the first instance of such even if that happened, though.

 

[Estro Felino]

You seem to have a very plane (as in all the same) view of humans - as to all being able to discern truth from fiction - but they aren't so and hence why such idealistic freedoms might not be so useful. Why would anyone want something so powerful to be under the control of one individual? Like to see Putin take over such?

The jurisprudence of my country confirms that unlimited freedom of speech is not idealistic.
It is a fact. Factually implemented.

And I can give you another juridical example.
Parliamentarians' immunity.
The parliamentarian can literally say anything because they are neither civilly nor penally responsible for what they say while performing their duty.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The jurisprudence of my country confirms that unlimited freedom of speech is not idealistic.
It is a fact. Factually implemented.

And I can give you another juridical example.
Parliamentarians' immunity.
The parliamemtarian can literally say anything because they are neither civilly nor penally responsable for what they say while performing their duty.

This is so within the confines of politics in the UK too I believe, but how does one allow so much free speech (on a worldwide platform) when such might and often will be seen as illegal, libelous, or sheer nonsense (factually untrue), given that we aren't all capable of discerning such and also given that fakes are on the increase and often not discernible from truth? We have enough issues with making sure abusive material is not allowed and is removed from social media without a further means of dissembling such - given Musk's apparent aims of allowing virtually anything.

 

[Estro Felino]

This is so within the confines of politics in the UK too I believe, but how does one allow so much free speech (on a worldwide platform) when such might and often will be seen as illegal, libelous, or sheer nonsense (factually untrue), given that we aren't all capable of discerning such and also given that fakes are on the increase and often not discernible from truth? We have enough issues with making sure abusive material is not allowed and is removed from social media without a further means of dissembling such - given Musk's apparent aims of allowing virtually anything.

A random Twitter user is not a media.
It is not an authoritative source.

So...nobody "searches for the truth" among random Twitter users.

They look for the truth by buying newspapers.

 

[ChristineM]

Agrawal said:

Well...I guess we should go forward. Not backward, as for free speech.

I wonder, would you say the same of Soros bought Twitter?

 

[Estro Felino]

I wonder, would you say the same of Soros bought Twitter?

Why didnt he?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Why didnt he?

He's not a narcissist with a giant ego, like Musk?

 

[ChristineM]

Why didnt he?

I have no idea but maybe he didn't want to and don't really care much either, but it seems to me that perhaps he doesn't seek the influence over people you give him credit for while Musk does.