InvestigateTruth
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I have chosen the comparative thread, since my purpose of this thread is to create an understanding of how Baha'is and Muslims view some verses of Quran and some Hadithes.
Please note that this thread is not meant to debate and prove whose understnading is wrong or right, but to discuss or ask each other so we understand each other's view and why we believe what we believe.
I am mainly interested to clear the following subjects, and would describe both view to the best of my knowledge.
1. The Finality of Revelation of Islam.
The Muslim View:
To best of my knowledge (and muslims can correct me on this if I am wrong) the belief in finality of Islam is based on Quran and Hadithes.
Among the Quran's verses is the "seal of Prophets" and among the Hadithes are the ones that Muhammad said "there will be no prophet after me" and "I am like the last brick of a building"
The Baha'i View:
The Baha'is do accept all those Hadithes as well as Quran's verse regarding that Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets, but they do not interpret them as finality of Revelation of Quran.
How?
That Muhammad said "I am the last Prophet" in Baha'i view was not for the purpose of interpreting the verse of Quran That says Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets, and was not related to explaination of the verse of Quran.
The Seal of Prophets, in our view, means ornament of Prophets. The word that is used in Arabic, is "Khatam", which in old times was a stone on a ring. They also used it to seal a document. And in Arabic, it also means ornament.
That Muhammad said "there is no prophet after ME" in Baha'i view in its context is related to the fact that Muhammad was explaining that, for example, after Moses and before Jesus, there came a number of Prophets, such as David and Solomon who promoted Jewish Faith. So, Muhammad said after Him, there would be no prophets within Islamic dispensation, but only Khalifs come.
So, in Baha'i View He did not say, no more Prophets forever. He meant no more prophets who come to promote Islam, but only Khalifs come.
Then there is a Hadith that Muhammad said, He was like the last brick of a buidling of Prophets. and this building is built, and He was the Last brick.
In Baha'i View, the Human Civilization has been created by successive Revelations from God.
In a Religious term, there was a Cycle that started with Adam and ended with Muhammad. and Muhammad was the Last Prophet in this cycle. This was the first creation of God which took 6000 years.
But in Baha'i View, the creation of God continues through a new cycle. The second creation starts with the Baha'i Revealtion.
So, yes, Muhammad was that last brick of that Building, but in Baha'i view, that building is not the last buidling. (no limit on creation of God)
2. The Day of Resurrection, Heaven and Hell
Muslim View:
Now regarding the Day of Resurrection, What most Muslims understand from Quran is that, there would be a Day, which is called the Day of Resurrection. In that Day, all people who were dead come out of their graves, then humanity is Judged by God, then everyone according to his deeds, goes either to heaven and hell. and there would no one left on earth, because all mountains move, the Sun is darkened, the stars fall and all those things would happen. This understanding is based on a "literal" reading of Quran.
Baha'i View:
There is a life after death, that when we die, our Spirit lives on. Depending on our deeds, our spirit would be near to God, or Far from God. Being far from God, is Hell. Nearness to God is Heaven. So, Baha'is believe in life after death, and heaven and hell in a spiritual sense. They believe those verses regarding Heaven and Hell are Figurative, not literal.
Then there is the subject of Day of Resurrection, which in Baha'i View has nothing to do with life after death. That is a Day, when guidance comes from God, which the spiritually Dead is brought to life. That the Sun is darkened, for example in Baha'i View, is a Figurative sign, which means when the guidance disappears from humanity, then Resurrection comes, so, the earth is given the light of guidance again. The Light of Sun, symbolizes guidance. Likewise all those things such as falling stars, are interpreted spiritually and figuratively. But to make this short, I would not talk about how every sign is interpreted. (but questions are welcome)
Again, in Baha'i Undestanding, heaven and hell are not only life after death. But while we are in this world, depending on how spiritually we are near to God, we are in heaven and feeling happy, and if we are after worldly things and far from God, we are in Hell, and would suffer.
That after Resurrection Day, there is Heaven and Hell as said in Quran, in our view, is right now. That means, when a new guidance comes, those who reject it, fall in Hell of unbelief, and those who trutly believe are aided to become near to God spiritually.
But how would Baha'is accept a different interpretation than what Muslims understood for generations? That is because, Baha'is believe that only God could interprete Quran correctly, and that He did it through His revelation to Baha'u'llah. Also, this interpretation can firmly be established even using Quran, Hadithes and Bible alone.
Please note that this thread is not meant to debate and prove whose understnading is wrong or right, but to discuss or ask each other so we understand each other's view and why we believe what we believe.
I am mainly interested to clear the following subjects, and would describe both view to the best of my knowledge.
1. The Finality of Revelation of Islam.
The Muslim View:
To best of my knowledge (and muslims can correct me on this if I am wrong) the belief in finality of Islam is based on Quran and Hadithes.
Among the Quran's verses is the "seal of Prophets" and among the Hadithes are the ones that Muhammad said "there will be no prophet after me" and "I am like the last brick of a building"
The Baha'i View:
The Baha'is do accept all those Hadithes as well as Quran's verse regarding that Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets, but they do not interpret them as finality of Revelation of Quran.
How?
That Muhammad said "I am the last Prophet" in Baha'i view was not for the purpose of interpreting the verse of Quran That says Muhammad is the Seal of Prophets, and was not related to explaination of the verse of Quran.
The Seal of Prophets, in our view, means ornament of Prophets. The word that is used in Arabic, is "Khatam", which in old times was a stone on a ring. They also used it to seal a document. And in Arabic, it also means ornament.
That Muhammad said "there is no prophet after ME" in Baha'i view in its context is related to the fact that Muhammad was explaining that, for example, after Moses and before Jesus, there came a number of Prophets, such as David and Solomon who promoted Jewish Faith. So, Muhammad said after Him, there would be no prophets within Islamic dispensation, but only Khalifs come.
So, in Baha'i View He did not say, no more Prophets forever. He meant no more prophets who come to promote Islam, but only Khalifs come.
Then there is a Hadith that Muhammad said, He was like the last brick of a buidling of Prophets. and this building is built, and He was the Last brick.
In Baha'i View, the Human Civilization has been created by successive Revelations from God.
In a Religious term, there was a Cycle that started with Adam and ended with Muhammad. and Muhammad was the Last Prophet in this cycle. This was the first creation of God which took 6000 years.
But in Baha'i View, the creation of God continues through a new cycle. The second creation starts with the Baha'i Revealtion.
So, yes, Muhammad was that last brick of that Building, but in Baha'i view, that building is not the last buidling. (no limit on creation of God)
2. The Day of Resurrection, Heaven and Hell
Muslim View:
Now regarding the Day of Resurrection, What most Muslims understand from Quran is that, there would be a Day, which is called the Day of Resurrection. In that Day, all people who were dead come out of their graves, then humanity is Judged by God, then everyone according to his deeds, goes either to heaven and hell. and there would no one left on earth, because all mountains move, the Sun is darkened, the stars fall and all those things would happen. This understanding is based on a "literal" reading of Quran.
Baha'i View:
There is a life after death, that when we die, our Spirit lives on. Depending on our deeds, our spirit would be near to God, or Far from God. Being far from God, is Hell. Nearness to God is Heaven. So, Baha'is believe in life after death, and heaven and hell in a spiritual sense. They believe those verses regarding Heaven and Hell are Figurative, not literal.
Then there is the subject of Day of Resurrection, which in Baha'i View has nothing to do with life after death. That is a Day, when guidance comes from God, which the spiritually Dead is brought to life. That the Sun is darkened, for example in Baha'i View, is a Figurative sign, which means when the guidance disappears from humanity, then Resurrection comes, so, the earth is given the light of guidance again. The Light of Sun, symbolizes guidance. Likewise all those things such as falling stars, are interpreted spiritually and figuratively. But to make this short, I would not talk about how every sign is interpreted. (but questions are welcome)
Again, in Baha'i Undestanding, heaven and hell are not only life after death. But while we are in this world, depending on how spiritually we are near to God, we are in heaven and feeling happy, and if we are after worldly things and far from God, we are in Hell, and would suffer.
That after Resurrection Day, there is Heaven and Hell as said in Quran, in our view, is right now. That means, when a new guidance comes, those who reject it, fall in Hell of unbelief, and those who trutly believe are aided to become near to God spiritually.
But how would Baha'is accept a different interpretation than what Muslims understood for generations? That is because, Baha'is believe that only God could interprete Quran correctly, and that He did it through His revelation to Baha'u'llah. Also, this interpretation can firmly be established even using Quran, Hadithes and Bible alone.
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