Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[Riverwolf]

Certainly a bunch more than TDK, wtf.

You know, intimacy? The sheer thrill of being attracted and attractive? Sensuality? To these things payment is like a wet fart, and if you don't know that I have no idea how to explain it to you.

Sex and intimacy aren't necessarily going to go together. They do with couples in love; they won't necessarily with prostitutes and their customers.

 

[Riverwolf]

*woosh*

That "voluntary choice" is a.) an empty concept, since no choices occur in a vacuum (kids don't drink bleach knowing what it does, but it's still a "free choice") and b.) doesn't make what is choosen good or bad per se, can be shown with any number of examples. Don't blame me for not seeing the forest of that for all the trees.

...I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[WyattDerp]

Sex and intimacy aren't necessarily going to go together. They do with couples in love; they won't necessarily with prostitutes and their customers.

Then where do "people who like sex so much they might as well get paid for it" fit into this? And how does a one-night stand not also involve intimacy (with a stranger)?

 

[Riverwolf]

Then where do "people who like sex so much they might as well get paid for it" fit into this?

Perhaps if the word "casual" were slipped in there, you'd get it?

The thrill of pure physical, base pleasures won't necessarily be intimate.

 

[WyattDerp]

Perhaps if the word "casual" were slipped in there, you'd get it?

The thrill of pure physical, base pleasures won't necessarily be intimate.

"not necessarily", but usually. Also there is no thrill in ******* fat businessmen and the assorted riff-raff that comes with prostitution.

I'll just file this under "dreaming" until actual prostitutes show up with that line of reasoning.

 

[Riverwolf]

"not necessarily", but usually. Also there is no thrill in ******* fat businessmen and the assorted riff-raff that comes with prostitution.

Dude, everything is a fetish for someone. I wouldn't make the mistake of assuming what different people find sexy.

I'll just file this under "dreaming" until actual prostitutes show up with that line of reasoning.

No dreaming for me; I have no intention with going with any prostitutes. I'm in a healthy relationship, thank you very much, and also understand the joy of intimacy.

 

[Breathe]

#8 abolishes consensual polygamy (for what reason?); [...]
Many of them would become incredibly problematic if done retrospectively as well, for example if #8 is retrospectively applied, a HUGE number of marriages suddenly are no longer existant.

Yeah, the abolishment of (consensual) polygamy got my nose up for being little more than a form of glorified cultural imperialism, though nobody responded to my post on it. (I'm used to that though )

 

[Debater Slayer]

There is also #6 I see nothing to be objectionable regardless of wording and interpretation, 10 is something NO ONE should have a problem with. 9 could be a very great thing for many women throughout the world if it actually happens. Some of them, like 7, I will agree the wording may arouse alarm, as it could be considered that men and women must fully and completely share all tasks and responsibilities, which could be interpreted to mean extreme erosion of gender roles, and the one abortion I understand why they oppose it, but some of them, such as 3 and 4, are about basic human dignity that no one should be denied.

The objections to the ones you mentioned appear to be primarily (maybe even solely) for religious reasons. That's basically the impression I got when I first read the Muslim Brotherhood's statement.

 

[F0uad]

Many of my posts in the debate sections here at RF tend to center over misogyny and inequality of women here in my own country. But injustice is injustice, period. And I intend to speak up when I see it regardless of what institution, religious authority, or country propagates it, shelters it, or legislates it.

No you don't, you have put all your effort on the middle-east and women since that's only thing your media talks about. I advice you again to look at the statics.

I, on the other hand, have a big problem with seeing a culture barely speak up when it comes to honor killing and acid being thrown in girls faces, and then telling somebody like me that I need to mind my own business.

And this happens often in Egypt? I have a problem of Americans invading Iraq, Afghanistan raping little children and woman.

I have to ask, is there something threatening about the idea of protecting women from violence if it means they must be given the same rights, liberties, and protections as men? Why the hostility toward allowing women the same freedoms as men?

Stop making the wrong conclusions women should be protected and womens should be given right, the same rights as man? No. Should man given the same rights as women No. Sometimes the women has more right and sometimes the man has more right, even in the West.

Everybody should be protected women and man and i advice you to start at your own country before jumping into others.

 

[Breathe]

And this happens often in Egypt? I have a problem of Americans invading Iraq, Afghanistan raping little children and woman.

Um... at least don't do it, you mean?

 

[F0uad]

Um... at least don't do it, you mean?

Well Americans should do whatever they want in there own borders i am not going to say what to do or not they have to decide themselves.

 

[Looncall]

No you don't, you have put all your effort on the middle-east and women since that's only thing your media talks about. I advice you again to look at the statics.



And this happens often in Egypt? I have a problem of Americans invading Iraq, Afghanistan raping little children and woman.


Stop making the wrong conclusions women should be protected and womens should be given right, the same rights as man? No. Should man given the same rights as women No. Sometimes the women has more right and sometimes the man has more right, even in the West.

Everybody should be protected women and man and i advice you to start at your own country before jumping into others.

Just what rights should men have but women not? And vice-versa? Anf how do you justify that?

Judging from reports, raping little children, especially boys, is a time-honoured custom in Afganistan.

 

[F0uad]

Just what rights should men have but women not? And vice-versa? Anf how do you justify that?

Judging from reports, raping little children, especially boys, is a time-honoured custom in Afganistan.

Women and Man both have different rights even in the west just look it up and if you want my personal opinion go to the Islam dir.
At-least they do it in there own country and don't invade other ones and rape them also there unlike the Americans.

Americas child rape statics:

93883 each year. It does not include cases of rape which go unreported, or which are not recorded. Nor does it specify whether recorded means reported, brought to trial, or convicted.

The only one that are close to it are:

18237 Australia.
13272 United Kingdom (England and Wales).
10408 France.
8185 Russia.

The list doesn't even contains Pakistan or Afghanistan because there is no comparison between the numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

 

[WyattDerp]

Women and Man both have different rights even in the west just look it up.

Such as? Are you just making up a lot of random stuff in the hope some of it will stick? Like "the west" invading other countries to rape their own daughters there, hmm?

 

[F0uad]

Such as? Are you just making up a lot of random stuff in the hope some of it will stick? Like "the west" invading other countries to rape their own daughters there, hmm?

I didn't say they raped there own daughters in the invaded countries i said they rape them at home and rape people also in other countries.
I didn't start the bashing it was you guys who liked to insist that your "Western values" are superior or better in a way.

 

[F0uad]

Back the the OP all "Muslim countries" including Iran, Libya, Sudan have accepted the UN proposal.

Muslim states agree to

 

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[England my lionheart]

I thought this was interesting because many of the opponents of Morsi and the MB are Muslims,i remember the blogger Kareem Amer,although he became an unbeliever he had many Muslim supporters who pushed for his release,his crime was insulting Islam and Mubarak,i think though that he criticised Al Azhar university,anyway back on track,what are your thoughts on:

Dalia Ziada, an Egyptian human rights activist announced that the situation for women in her native country was better under Hosni Mubarak than it is now under the Muslim Brotherhood.

"It is sad to say that the situation for women was much better during the Mubarak era," the activist told ANSAMed.

"It was not the best possible but it was still better than today because there was a state which supported women's rights."

Ziada, who serves as director of the Ibn Khaldum Center for Democratic Studies said that women are "an integral part of Egyptian society" even though they are the ones hardest-hit by the economic crisis.

"Over 30 percent of women are 'caring women' like widows or divorcees who are working to support their families," Ziada told ANSAMed.

"They work at a time when men are having a hard time finding a proper job."

She also noted that underprivileged women fared well in Egypt under Mubarak as they were sponsored by the former leader's wife, Suzanne Mubarak.

Now "they have no one sponsoring them."

"Suzanne Mubarak was a women's rights activist before being the president's wife and a staunch supporter of new laws in favour of women...Now we have a regime which is very hostile to women, an extremist regime of the Muslim Brotherhood which doesn't like women, least of all in public life and the economy."

The activist went on to tell ANSAMed that the Muslim Brotherhood is so hostile that it actually blames men's unemployment on women. The reasoning is that if women were to stay home and take care of the house, there would be jobs for men.

Ziada explained, however, that men's unemployment numbers are based squarely on their qualifications, or rather, lack thereof.
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