Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles

[FearGod]

Again, the difference is that murder and rape victimize the innocent, so stop making such thoughtless comparisons.

You are insisting on your opinion that the murder victimize the innocent but HIV victimize the dirty ones,you are again absolutely wrong.

Read this paragraph by PH.D Elizabeth Boskey.

There's a common misconception that only certain types of people get sexually transmitted diseases, or that STDs make someone "dirty." However, that's cruel, unfortunate, and untrue. Anyone can get an STD. These infections don't discriminate on whether someone is "clean" or someone is "nice." They affect everyone.
A corollary to this statement is "How could you not know that you slept with someone who was infected?" Many people think that people with STDs are visibly dirty and that it should be possible to tell they're sick by looking at them closely enough. It just doesn't work that way. The vast majority of STDs are asymptomatic, and the only way to know that someone has one is to ask if they've recently been tested.

Reference: 5 Things Not To Say to Someone with an STD

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I'll say this much, the God of the Bible was patient in changing the culture of his people. He didn't implement his standards for right living overnight. Its was a process to move from pagan living to the standards of the OT culminating with the standards Jesus implemented. I think as similar approach should be considered in encouraging change in the Muslim world regarding treatment of women. Start with the bare minimum standard and work from there.

 

[FearGod]

I'll say this much, the God of the Bible was patient in changing the culture of his people.

God of the bible!!! ,why ? how many god there are for this universe ?
His people,you are his people.
Aren't we.

He didn't implement his standards for right living overnight. Its was a process to move from pagan living to the standards of the OT culminating with the standards Jesus implemented. I think as similar approach should be considered in encouraging change in the Muslim world regarding treatment of women. Start with the bare minimum standard and work from there.

:clap
Yes, work from there till we can move ahead and then legalize prostitution and gays marriage.

 

[Treks]

*sigh*

 

[Gurtej]

It's funny when Muslimen talk about women equality when it's so hard for them to deal with these amendments ...

Some of Muslim men here really need to get their head out of sand..

 

[FearGod]

It's funny when Muslimen talk about women equality when it's so hard for them to deal with these amendments ...

Some of Muslim men here really need to get their head out of sand..

We are speaking from humanist perspective rather than Religious ones.

 

[Gurtej]

We are speaking from humanist perspective rather than Religious ones.

No u r not...
U can give any justification but ur comments portray a complete
Different picture...we wud still be stoning
People for adultery , cutting hands for theft if whole world thinks like u...
We have grown out of it long back but she some people just don't know how to move forward...

 

[islam abduallah]

I think that a better measure would be to teach girls and young women how to defend themselves in cases like that. Not allowing them to travel alone tries to address an outcome rather than a cause.

well, your words reveal to me that if we teach girls and women hoe to defend themselves, it would be OK for them and so it won't be exposed to raping
excuse me friend but i believe its not accurate analysis as if we check the Statistics, you will find that the top 20 countries not include one Arab or Islamic country but most of them are the countries where the women could defend herself like USA, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY, ITALY, CANADA, AUSTRALIA AND RUSSIA aren't they the most advanced countries? but they failed to protect the women while we poor and less advanced states have better Statistics than those although our women are not touht to defend.

and i believe its because of the islamic rules to protect women
you see we are taking their rights and those women see we are protecting them by applying islam
Rape statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One in five women are victims of sexual offences | UK news | The Guardian

 

[Alceste]

Where did you get Mrs Badger's picture from? Ain't she something else?

Whoops, I thought that was my high school graduation picture. Mrs hatchery and myself have similar tastes!

 

[islam abduallah]

You have demonstrated clearly why muslim culture is so widely despised.

this culture is the fastest growing culture

 

[Gurtej]

this culture is the fastest growing culture

Lol.... It's not
Muslim culture to be decent... Decency started way before Mohamad was even
Born so please don't try to use stupid arguments...

 

[FearGod]

No u r not...
U can give any justification but ur comments portray a complete
Different picture...we wud still be stoning
People for adultery , cutting hands for theft if whole world thinks like u...
We have grown out of it long back but she some people just don't know how to move forward...

Why to steal then ?

That is off-topic as punishment for dirty people such as theives ,murderers,rapists,pimps,whores...etc have it's own rules in Islam.

You can open a thread if you wish to discuss such issues in details.

 

[Gurtej]

Why to steal then ?

That is off-topic as punishment for dirty people such as theives ,murderers,rapists,pimps,whores...etc have it's own rules in Islam.

You can open a thread if you wish to discuss such issues in details.

Ok on the topic...what wud u suggest if u are a UN member ...? Please note that this will apply to everyone not just u

 

[Alceste]

I have no problem with the objection to most of these but are these mentioned in the UN Plan? I need to look at the document and with the details. It's mentioned concisely in the news websites:

UN adopts plan to combat violence against women - Yahoo! News
These are very broad items...for example the government's commitment to provide sex education...to who? To couples planning to get married for instance?
They mention two examples of what they mean by "sexual and reproductive health services" and I don't think they are objectionable...but what else does this include?

With UN resolutions, they only affirm shared principles of the member states. They are not laws. Each country is left to decide independently how to pursue the stated goals. They may do so by passing laws, educating the public, reviewing existing laws, funding programs that advance those ideals, or whatever else they choose. There is no penalty for "breaking" a UN resolution. They are guidelines for lawmakers and an effort to create a universal ethical framework to protect human rights.

So the answer to each of your questions about the specific details would be up to you to decide, assuming you are a woman who has the right to actively influence public policy decisions in your own country. If you think reproductive health and birth control education should be reserved for married couples, that's the standard you should fight to achieve. As a western, secular woman, I'm going to try to persuade you to broaden the scope of such programs, but some education for married couples is better than no education for anyone, and I assume many of those couples will pass on the education to their children eventually.

 

[Alceste]

Yes, it exists, what does this prove exactly?
Does it mean Muslims shouldn't argue for the immorality and illegality of such practice?

It means muslim countries are failing to put their purity ideals into practice, and the map that was posted shows they are failing worse than anyone else - especially the west.

 

[Alceste]

well, your words reveal to me that if we teach girls and women hoe to defend themselves, it would be OK for them and so it won't be exposed to raping
excuse me friend but i believe its not accurate analysis as if we check the Statistics, you will find that the top 20 countries not include one Arab or Islamic country but most of them are the countries where the women could defend herself like USA, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY, ITALY, CANADA, AUSTRALIA AND RUSSIA aren't they the most advanced countries? but they failed to protect the women while we poor and less advanced states have better Statistics than those although our women are not touht to defend.

and i believe its because of the islamic rules to protect women
you see we are taking their rights and those women see we are protecting them by applying islam
Rape statistics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One in five women are victims of sexual offences | UK news | The Guardian

Women in Muslim countries are disinclined to report rape, for fear of the stigma associated with sexual impurity. Women who do report rape (or get caught having been raped) are often murdered for adultery. Some are raped again by the police they are trying to report the rape to. Police in Muslim countries are extremely unlikely to intervene in a case of marital rape, date rape, or rape by an acquaintance, since the mentality is that women can not be raped by their husbands and unmarried women should not even have male acquaintances.

All this is preamble to saying your statistics are garbage. Reporting and prosecuting rapists is one of the various tools western women have to protect themselves. It stands to reason we will use that tool more than women in benighted, sexist regimes who don't even have it.

Muslim men in this thread are saying a woman in their countries can not even walk the streets alone for fear of being raped. And you are acting high and mighty! How outrageous! I have lived alone and walked the darkest, seediest streets of every major city in Canada in the middle of the night - I traveled all over Europe alone at 18 - and I never had any kind of problem, except for some very creepy advances by north African muslims in Paris, I'm sorry to say. Clearly we are doing something right, and your idealized Muslim countries could learn a lot from us when it comes to ensuring the safety of women.

 

[FearGod]

Ok on the topic...what wud u suggest if u are a UN member ...? Please note that this will apply to everyone not just u

if i am a UN member then i.ll protect woman.

1 - sevre punishment for rapists and suitable one for pimps.
2 - punishment for men whom using girls for their sexual desires and not for serious relationship.
3 - Salaries should be the same for men and women in similar position.
4 - Woman can travel abroad and if her husband refused then she have the right to ask for divorce with no conditions and then she'll be free to go where ever she want.
5 - To help women whom in need to find a good job instead of prostitution.

Those are just few points in few minutes but with deep thinking then we can have many good points for women.

 

[Alceste]

if i am a UN member then i.ll protect woman.

1 - sevre punishment for rapists and suitable one for pimps.
2 - punishment for men whom using girls for their sexual desires and not for serious relationship.
3 - Salaries should be the same for men and women in similar position.
4 - Woman can travel abroad and if her husband refused then she have the right to ask for divorce with no conditions and then she'll be free to go where ever she want.
5 - To help women whom in need to find a good job instead of prostitution.

Those are just few points in few minutes but with deep thinking then we can have many good points for women.

Now we are getting somewhere.

 

[islam abduallah]

Lol.... It's not
.

seems you are trying to hide the sun

Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Alceste]

seems you are trying to hide the sun

Claims to be the fastest-growing religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He said, linking to an article where practically every religion and non-religion on earth claims to be the fastest growing.