Muslim woman & girl gang-raped and beaten by Hindus for eating beef

[Godobeyer]

damn.
So you don't understand after all.

moors the pity.

Here I do understand you very well ,
statement made by anti-Muslims.

It is sad that Muslims let the west lead them by the nose.

let's me re-explain to you my honest understanding :

No one forced West to fight in Muslims world , it was all about oil, and fighting pro-Russia regimes and may revenge of 9/11.

but it's how you feel that USA army worked for Saudi Arabia and Kuweit in Gulf war 1992 and 2003?

 

[McBell]

Here I do understand you very well ,
statement made by anti-Muslims.


let's me re-explain to you my honest understanding :

No one forced West to fight in Muslims world , it was all about oil, and fighting pro-Russia regimes and may revenge of 9/11.

but it's how you feel that USA army worked for Saudi Arabia and Kuweit in Gulf war 1992 and 2003?

thank you for confirming you do not understand.

 

[Godobeyer]

thank you for confirming you do not understand.

Just keep pretending.

 

[McBell]

Just keep pretending.

Your transference is duly noted.

 

[Godobeyer]

Your transference is duly noted.

Your anti-Muslims and arrogance and pretending is already noted.

 

[McBell]

Your anti-Muslims and arrogance and pretending is already noted.

you can lie till the cows come home.
Makes no difference to me.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

I'm not just speaking about rape, but about punishing people for eating beef, it isn't only a one case, just
search and see how many crimes were committed for eating beef

Okay, but we are still talking about the actions of individuals (committing crimes against state law) rather than a state legislating something.

By forcing the others as not to eat beef

I'm not aware of any forms of 'Hinduism' which force others not to eat beef (some forms certainly declare it sinful, and there may be individuals who adhere to those forms who force others against their will not to eat beef, but that's something rather different).

it's up to them not to eat beef

I quite agree.

why forcing the others and
even killing them for eating beef.

But it's not 'Hinduism' which prescribes this.

Forcing other people not to eat beef is bad and barbaric, that is polluting Hinduism.

As I (and others) have said already, it is not 'Hinduism' which forces other people not to eat beef. Is forcing other people not to eat beef barbaric? Hmm, not sure about that. I guess it depends on the form the forcing takes.

The Hindus do agree that those who eat beef should be punished

Some Hindus (and other Indians) may take this view. And 'Hinduism' might have something to say about people who eat beef being punished via karma. But 'Hinduism' does not say that a law should be created by which people who eat beef should be punished.
Sin is one thing. Punishment by humans via the courts (or in an extrajudicial capacity) is quite another.

applying this on
other religions is what I call as silly.

You mean to the adherents of other religions, because I don't think anyone is talking about applying this to other religions, such as Islam, per se.

You and I might not like it. But if that is the law of the land, that is the law of the land. One doesn't have to look too far to find things in Muslim-majority countries that non-Muslims are not permitted to do even if there is nothing in their religion (or lack thereof) which prevents them from doing those things. The non-Muslims might even find those prohibitions silly (even if you and I do not).

 

[Godobeyer]

you can lie till the cows come home.
Makes no difference to me.

I am not lie,you would be lucky if there is one disagree with me on that in RF.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I am not lie,you would be lucky if there is one disagree with me on that in RF.

In that case, @Mestemia must be made of leprechauns (in other words he's lucky); because I disagree.

 

[Godobeyer]

In that case, @Mestemia must be made of leprechauns (in other words he's lucky); because I disagree.

Bad luck,
sorry,I don't take yours.

 

[Madhuri]

But what motivate the Hindus to kill a Muslim for eating beef, this make them much
worse than Saudi Arabia in imposing hijab on all women regardless of their beliefs,
at least in Saudi Arabia they won't kill them for not wearing hijab.

This is a barbaric act which is supported by the Hindus which makes eating beef as a crime,
man-made or evil-made makes no difference to me as it pollutes the whole religion
once its followers in general are following such silly thing.

Making excuses for it making no sense as well, wrong is wrong and such stupid things should
be ended, I wonder how some defend Hinduism and blame the evil.

Raping and killing for eating beef and then the one who did it wasn't a true Hindus.

What are you talking about? It has been argued properly that there is no justification for hurting someone just because they ate beef. It is against Hindu religion to harm others. What those men did is against very important Hindu principles (Ahimsa; non-violence). So please stop trying to blame Hinduism for these crimes.

No Hindus here have supported the act. In fact, we have expressly condemned it. I think you are looking for an excuse to blame Hinduism. That would be like blaming Islam if a Muslim man rapes a woman for not wearing the hijab. Not a very strong argument.

 

[Madhuri]

Forcing other people not to eat beef is bad and barbaric, that is polluting Hinduism.

The Hindus do agree that those who eat beef should be punished and applying this on
other religions is what I call as silly.

Only some Indian states make it illegal to eat beef. I know many Hindu who eat beef, so some have a problem with it and others do not. Some Hindus feel strongly enough about it to make it illegal in some places. Others do not. To enforce such a law is a human decision, not a religious law. In other words, you won't find justification for it in our scriptures.
Furthermore, there is absolutely no justification for harming a person who breaks this law. If someone acts illegally, it is for the justice system to act, not for citizens to take the law into their own hands.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

But what motivate the Hindus to kill a Muslim for eating beef, this make them much
worse than Saudi Arabia in imposing hijab on all women regardless of their beliefs,
at least in Saudi Arabia they won't kill them for not wearing hijab.

Not really true since it's illegal to be anything other than a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. Muslims in India do not face anything approaching that level of treatment.

 

[FearGod]

What are you talking about? It has been argued properly that there is no justification for hurting someone just because they ate beef. It is against Hindu religion to harm others. What those men did is against very important Hindu principles (Ahimsa; non-violence). So please stop trying to blame Hinduism for these crimes.

No Hindus here have supported the act. In fact, we have expressly condemned it. I think you are looking for an excuse to blame Hinduism. That would be like blaming Islam if a Muslim man rapes a woman for not wearing the hijab. Not a very strong argument.

Regardless, I see forcing the others to not eat beef is barbaric, it's up to you not
to eat beef but you have no right to force the others what to eat.

 

[FearGod]

Not really true since it's illegal to be anything other than a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. Muslims in India do not face anything approaching that level of treatment.

The same thing, Saudi Arabia forcing the others, be it Hijab, be it being only a Muslim ...etc
So forcing the others not to eat beef is in the same line.

 

[Vinayaka]

Regardless, I see forcing the others to not eat beef is barbaric, it's up to you not
to eat beef but you have no right to force the others what to eat.

Individual countries make laws based on the culture of that place. Eating horse is illegal some places, as is eating dogs, endangered species, pork, etc. Other things we use drugs, legal illegal, etc. are the same. In some countries some are legal, and in others its not. The issue is what happens when someone breaks the law of that country. Just who is supposed to enforce the law? Is it the police, on behalf of the state, or is it just anybody who feels self-righteous and angry? Most people would agree it is the law enforcement who should do it. I don't see how religion has anything to do with this, other than each person who commits a crime of any sort can declare themselves to be of some religion. No religion that I know of would say its okay to do what these people did.

 

[FearGod]

Only some Indian states make it illegal to eat beef. I know many Hindu who eat beef, so some have a problem with it and others do not. Some Hindus feel strongly enough about it to make it illegal in some places. Others do not. To enforce such a law is a human decision, not a religious law. In other words, you won't find justification for it in our scriptures.
Furthermore, there is absolutely no justification for harming a person who breaks this law. If someone acts illegally, it is for the justice system to act, not for citizens to take the law into their own hands.

Not real Scotsman.

But what the reason that Hinduism doesn't appear to make a better community.

One rape every 30 minutes in India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/One-rape-every-30-minutes-in-India/articleshow/39128982.cms

 

[columbus]

Regardless, I see forcing the others to not eat beef is barbaric, it's up to you not
to eat beef but you have no right to force the others what to eat.

Suppose the UN or someone like that required all governments to get rid of laws based on a religious cultural opinion. Which religious people would be screaming about unfair and sovereignty and such?
I am absolutely confident that it would be Islamic people. They are far and away the most inclined to insist that everyone do things their way.
Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

Not real Scotsman.

But what the reason that Hinduism doesn't appear to make a better community.

One rape every 30 minutes in India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/One-rape-every-30-minutes-in-India/articleshow/39128982.cms

lol
every 30 minutes !

I bet in Algeria it's maybe one rape in 6 months.

 

[Godobeyer]

The same thing, Saudi Arabia forcing the others, be it Hijab, be it being only a Muslim ...etc
So forcing the others not to eat beef is in the same line.

It's never happened that Saudi Arabia (or Saudi) killed a non-Muslim woman for not wearing Hijab.