Muslims do not worship the same god as the Christians

[Majikthise]

and I will live in dirt with the bugs :yes:

If there's anything after this I'll live with the stars and galaxies.

 

[Reverend Rick]

But since the gods claimed to be the same have contradictory characteristics, have we decided those characteristics are not contradictory?

We have different viewpoints of a multifaceted God IMHO.

I mean a lot of this rests on the statement by a Muslim that God can do whatever He wants, and that includes change the "rules" so to paraphrase. If this allows Him to be infallible that's a nail in the coffin of "same god"arguments.

That assumes that every Christian is correct as well as every Muslim. Perhaps the reason we have so many religions is because people are capable of being wrong about some things at times. Is that not a better answer than a billion gods running around?

If Allah cannot be fallible (must be infallible) then you have a hard time explaining the incongruence of the laws of Abraham and the laws of Moses and the laws of Mohammad (ignoring the whole Jesus tangent!)

The inconsistencies are man made not different gods IMHO.

 

[kai]

Do you doubt the following verse?

"All praise is due to God Lord of the universe"

Surah 1:2

In the Qur'an there is a verse that says:

QUL'HU ALLAHU AHAD

"SAY HE (ALLAH) IS ONE"

Despite scriptural differences Muslims believe there is one primary ruler of all that exist. One being. One mind. One great force that is infinite, uncaused, and beyond comprehension. One diety.

How can any Christian dispute this Islamic claim?

well to be honest, why couldnt they?

 

[Averroes]

well to be honest, why couldnt they?

Because God (according to Muslims) is the only being in this known plane of existence is the only one worthy of worship. If a christian were to argue against that notion despite their scriptural beliefs they would essentially contradict their own belief. The only thing I've seen christians do is argue about God's so-called actual name but its a moot point.

 

[Averroes]

I believe we will just have to agree to disagree my friend. The thing is, I believe we will all end up in heaven together where believing there are different gods to me means some of us will not be there together in heaven.

I truely believe I will be in heaven with my Christian and Muslim friends. :yes:

Will I be there? And all the athiests and polytheists?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The only thing I've seen christians do is argue about God's so-called actual name but its a moot point.

Not looking very hard seems to be a strategy of yours.

 

[Averroes]

Not looking very hard seems to be a strategy of yours.

Wow are you like, my stalker now? You appear to be trolling bro

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Again you see what you want to see.

 

[Averroes]

Again you see what you want to see.

Not really I just find it ironic in threads I am actively involved in you are quoting me.

 

[fallingblood]

But since the gods claimed to be the same have contradictory characteristics, have we decided those characteristics are not contradictory?

You haven't really shown that they were contradictory. And really, the gods aren't claiming anything. People are claiming things about God. Huge difference.

I mean a lot of this rests on the statement by a Muslim that God can do whatever He wants, and that includes change the "rules" so to paraphrase. If this allows Him to be infallible that's a nail in the coffin of "same god"arguments.

The Christian idea is also that God can do whatever he wants, and he is all powerful. More so, we have a clear example of God seemingly changing the rules and that is with the perceived new covenant that Jesus supposedly introduced.

If Allah cannot be fallible (must be infallible) then you have a hard time explaining the incongruence of the laws of Abraham and the laws of Moses and the laws of Mohammad (ignoring the whole Jesus tangent!)

Not really. People just see God differently, and thus, ascribe to him different ideas. The differences we see are those of individuals personal preferences.

 

[Scott C.]

Perhaps a better question than "does so and so worhsip a different god than so and so?" is "does the one true God hear and answer the prayers of those who pray to him with an incorrect view of who he is"? The answer is yes. The Lord looks on the heart.

 

[Averroes]

No no.different question. I want christians or Jews to answer if a Muslim says Allah who is one, and all that exists is the wrong god

 

[K.Venugopal]

Maybe it could be said that we pray to different Gods but they are all listened to by the only God there is.

 

[kai]

Maybe it could be said that we pray to different Gods but they are all listened to by the only God there is.

As its a matter of faith clearly it seems we can say anything we want really, especially if we ignore the validity of the revelations that Abrahamic religions are based on.

For example:

I am a Christian and the Muslims worship the same god as me, its just i don't recognize the Quran or the prophet.

 

[K.Venugopal]

As its a matter of faith clearly it seems we can say anything we want really, especially if we ignore the validity of the revelations that Abrahamic religions are based on.

For example:

I am a Christian and the Muslims worship the same god as me, its just i don't recognize the Quran or the prophet.

Don't we all worship the same God though our concepts of Him differ?

 

[Justin Thyme]

As its a matter of faith clearly it seems we can say anything we want really, especially if we ignore the validity of the revelations that Abrahamic religions are based on.

For example:

I am a Christian and the Muslims worship the same god as me, its just i don't recognize the Quran or the prophet.

As a Christian I do recognize the Quran and the prophet, just not in the same way a follower of Islam would. The Quran is a book that was inspired by God and Muhammad (PBUH) was a prophet of God. I don't believe him to be the last prophet of God, though. I also believe that all the Śruti and Smriti texts were inspired by God.

We all have diverse ideas about God but that doesn't mean that we are worshiping different gods. A sincere prayer to Jehovah is heard by the same god as a sincere prayer to Allah or Vishnu. If one is a monotheist that is what one must accept. If one is a monotheist one must even accept that all the gods polytheists worship or honor are just different perceptions of the one God. If one is a monotheist one must believe that there is but one God regardless of the name or names used by the believer.

 

[kai]

Don't we all worship the same God though our concepts of Him differ?

does that include the God of thunder who carries the hammer Mjollnir ? arnt our concepts guided by revelation?

 

[kai]

As a Christian I do recognize the Quran and the prophet, just not in the same way a follower of Islam would. The Quran is a book that was inspired by God and Muhammad (PBUH) was a prophet of God. I don't believe him to be the last prophet of God, though. I also believe that all the Śruti and Smriti texts were inspired by God.

We all have diverse ideas about God but that doesn't mean that we are worshiping different gods. A sincere prayer to Jehovah is heard by the same god as a sincere prayer to Allah or Vishnu. If one is a monotheist that is what one must accept. If one is a monotheist one must even accept that all the gods polytheists worship or honor are just different perceptions of the one God. If one is a monotheist one must believe that there is but one God regardless of the name or names used by the believer.

So you recognize the Quran but choose to ignore its contents? you recognize the prophet but not his revelation?

 

[Justin Thyme]

So you recognize the Quran but choose to ignore its contents? you recognize the prophet but not his revelation?

Did I say that?

The contents of the Quran are the Quran. The prophet's revelations are what makes him a prophet. Do I accept all of his revelations as relevant to me? No. Neither are all of Isaiah's revelations relevant to me. But I also view Rick Warren as a prophet and A Purpose Driven Life as being inspired by God. Some divinely inspired books and some prophets are more relevant to me than others.

 

[Justin Thyme]

does that include the God of thunder who carries the hammer Mjollnir ? arnt our concepts guided by revelation?

Why wouldn't it?