Muslims; is Lord Krishna a prophet of God?

[Acintya_Ash]

Buddha did not preach Reincarnation, he preached Rebirth.

According to Buddhism, after death one is either reborn into another body (reincarnated) or enters nirvana. Only Buddhas - those who have attained enlightenment - will achieve the latter destination.

Reincarnation (Transmigration)
Based on his no-soul (anatta) doctrine, the Buddha described reincarnation, or the taking on of a new body in the next life, in a different way than the traditional Indian understanding. He compared it to lighting successive candles using the flame of the preceding candle. Although each flame is causally connected to the one that came before it, is it not the same flame. Thus, in Buddhism, reincarnation is usually referred to as "transmigration."

after death we go to Barzakh (in Sanskrit, it is called for Saṃsāra)

Within Buddhism, samsara is defined as the continual repetitive cycle of birth, death, and intermediate bardo state that arises from ordinary beings' generating and fixating on a mistaken concept of self and experiences. Samsara arises out of wrong knowledge about reality (avidya) and is characterized by dukkha (failure, suffering, anxiety, dissatisfaction). In the Buddhist view, liberation from samsara is possible by following the Buddhist path.

live a new life over and over again until Day of Judgment.

There's no specific day designed for Judgement in Dharmic religions. It happens immediately after death.

Buddha did not teach Karma because a main problem in Buddhist philosophy is how karma and rebirth are possible, when there is no self to be reborn, and how the traces or "seeds" of karma are stored throughout time in consciousness. Therefore, Karma is false and not what my prophet Buddha, peace be upon him, taught.

You are making a strawman of Buddha's teachings. It appears that you've not understood the Transmigration theory.

Kindly read from Buddhist sources and not from Biased Islamic sources.

Thank you

 

[Lyndon]

Krishna and the religion he founded all use idols, the Buddha was against them and Hindu religion with its caste system, but a few hundred years later, the Buddhists were all using idols.

Saedi is quoting from modern secular Buddhist sources who do not believe in reincarnation, the Buddha taught reincarnation, the secular Buddhist have retranslated the Pali word as rebirth, and claim that no consciousness goes from one life to the next. The Buddha was a Polytheist, who taught man was superior to the gods, even though he accepted they exist, he also talked much about devas, who are like angels. Acintya, I would be interested to hear your understanding of the emptiness, the wisdom that only the enlightened fully understand.

 

[Slaedi7324]

Yes dear, Krishna can't be Prophet. He's God
And the criterion for Prophet you mentioned does not apply for God.

I respect your belief, but Krishna was no God, no more than Jesus Christ. He was a human being and he called himself for a god to live a luxurious life full of sex with women, alcohol, wealth and power. Which he had to maintain by going in war against enemies that could forsake him this fame. He was a king, he was a warlord.

Those attributions of Krishna may be the qualities of Hindu gods that are known to be humane and imperfect. These are no way the criteria of a true God, a merciful and omnipotent, omniscient God. A perfect God that is not humane, but the creator of everything that is humane.

Krishna was a flawed human being, he is not God because he is not the flawless, perfect creator.

Krishna being the Supreme Lord is supremely independent. He is beyond all rules and regulations. There are no laws binding Him. That is why He is the Supreme Lord. He is free to do whatever He likes. His actions are beyond judgment and justification. Those envious of the Supreme Lord Krishna can never understand the mysticism behind His transcendental activities.

Which is why he is not a god. He simply said these as excuses for his misbehavior. In no way was this man good or God.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

The intellectual level of Muslim posters hasn't changed for years. Still cooking up crackpot theories all day to affirm their fading belief.

 

[Slaedi7324]

Lord Krishna tried every possible way to avoid the War. When all gates of Peace were shut, the war became inevitable.
His main aim was to establish Dharma and Righteousness.
Also Had he stopped the war, then the world would not have got rid of the adharma which was prevalent.

Can you explain me these verses? Here they are:

Rg Veda 3:24:1. AGNI, subdue opposing bands, and drive our enemies away.Invincible,slay godless foes: give splendour to the worshipper


Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
68.Snatch thou the hair from off his head, and from his body strip the skin:
69.Tear out his sinews, cause his flesh to fall in pieces from his frame.
70.Crush thou his bones together, strike and beat the marrow out of him.
71.Dislocate all his limbs and joints


Atharva Veda 4:31:3 O Manyu, overcome those who assail us. On! breaking, slaying crushing down the foemen.They have not hindered thine impetuous vigour: mighty! sole born! reduce them to subjection.


Rig Veda 1:CLXXVI:4 Slay everyone who pours no gift, who, hard to reach, delights thee not.Bestow on us what wealth he hath: this even the worshipper awaits


Rg.Veda1:CXXXXII:1. HELPED, Indra Maghavan, by thee in war of old, may we subdue in fight the men who strive with us, conquer the men who war with us.This day that now is close at hand bless him who pours the Soma juice.In this our sacrifice may we divide the spoil, showing our strength, the spoil of war.


RV 6.025.02 With these discomfit hosts that fight against us, and check the opponent’s wrath, thyself uninjured. With these chase all our foes to every quarter: subdue the tribes of Dasas to the Arya.

Krishna and the religion he founded all use idols, the Buddha was against them and Hindu religion with its caste system, but a few hundred years later, the Buddhists were all using idols.

True. That is evidence for him to have been a prophet of God.

Saedi is quoting from modern secular Buddhist sources who do not believe in reincarnation, the Buddha taught reincarnation, the secular Buddhist have retranslated the Pali word as rebirth, and claim that no consciousness goes from one life to the next. The Buddha was a Polytheist, who taught man was superior to the gods, even though he accepted they exist, he also talked much about devas, who are like angels. Acintya, I would be interested to hear your understanding of the emptiness, the wisdom that only the enlightened fully understand.

Rubbish.
The second source material in order of credibility and authenticity, is such Buddhist literature as came into being five hundred years after Buddha. This too contains enough evidence to indicate that Buddha was neither an atheist nor an agnostic but was indeed a believer in God. We specifically refer to the Theravada texts known as Tripitaka (Three Baskets), which as the name suggests, are divided into three sections. The first part is called Vinaya-Pitaka (Rules of Conduct), the second is called Sutta-Pitaka (Discourses on Truth) and the third is called Abhidhamma-Pitaka (Analysis of Religion).

In Sutta-Nipta there is The Chapter on Going to the Far Shore,5 in which the goal of conquering death is expressed. Buddha explains that birth and death do not mean anything to those who have overcome their ego thus becoming at one with God. These passages may have been misunderstood and confused with the Brahman concept of Mukti (redemption), but it is not right. Buddha clearly speaks of only those who have already reached the other side of the barrier here on earth before their death. This simply means that according to him, no man could have access to the hereafter, unless he had experienced it during his life here on earth, a teaching close to the Quranic precept. He preached that by being at one with God, man rises above life and death and becomes eternal.

At the end of the chapter, Pingiya, a follower of Buddha describes the excellence of his master which becomes instrumental in converting him to Buddhism. Having already expressed that he was enfeebled by old age and close to dying, Pingiya concludes his discussion with the following statement:

'Assuredly I shall go to the immovable, the unshakable, the likeness of which does not exist anywhere. I have no doubt about this. Thus consider me to be one whose mind is so disposed.'6

This illustrates the hope and expectation of a disciple of Buddha, that after his death he will meet his Lord, who is described as immovable, unshakable and without likeness. This is a description of God in full agreement with that found in the scripture that is Quran. I am not citing recent sources, but the earliest of them all.

 

[Slaedi7324]

The intellectual level of Muslim posters hasn't changed for years. Still cooking up crackpot theories all day to affirm their fading belief.

Likewise, I have the same opinion about the foolishly strong, militant atheists. The only thing that is fading is your rationality and intelligence. I suspect it has already faded.

 

[Lyndon]

Can you explain me these verses? Here they are:

Rg Veda 3:24:1. AGNI, subdue opposing bands, and drive our enemies away.Invincible,slay godless foes: give splendour to the worshipper


Atharva Veda 12:5:67 Strike off the shoulders and the head.
68.Snatch thou the hair from off his head, and from his body strip the skin:
69.Tear out his sinews, cause his flesh to fall in pieces from his frame.
70.Crush thou his bones together, strike and beat the marrow out of him.
71.Dislocate all his limbs and joints


Atharva Veda 4:31:3 O Manyu, overcome those who assail us. On! breaking, slaying crushing down the foemen.They have not hindered thine impetuous vigour: mighty! sole born! reduce them to subjection.


Rig Veda 1:CLXXVI:4 Slay everyone who pours no gift, who, hard to reach, delights thee not.Bestow on us what wealth he hath: this even the worshipper awaits


Rg.Veda1:CXXXXII:1. HELPED, Indra Maghavan, by thee in war of old, may we subdue in fight the men who strive with us, conquer the men who war with us.This day that now is close at hand bless him who pours the Soma juice.In this our sacrifice may we divide the spoil, showing our strength, the spoil of war.


RV 6.025.02 With these discomfit hosts that fight against us, and check the opponent’s wrath, thyself uninjured. With these chase all our foes to every quarter: subdue the tribes of Dasas to the Arya.

True. That is evidence for him to have been a prophet of God. Rubbish.
The second source material in order of credibility and authenticity, is such Buddhist literature as came into being five hundred years after Buddha. This too contains enough evidence to indicate that Buddha was neither an atheist nor an agnostic but was indeed a believer in God. We specifically refer to the Theravada texts known as Tripitaka (Three Baskets), which as the name suggests, are divided into three sections. The first part is called Vinaya-Pitaka (Rules of Conduct), the second is called Sutta-Pitaka (Discourses on Truth) and the third is called Abhidhamma-Pitaka (Analysis of Religion).

In Sutta-Nipta there is The Chapter on Going to the Far Shore,5 in which the goal of conquering death is expressed. Buddha explains that birth and death do not mean anything to those who have overcome their ego thus becoming at one with God. These passages may have been misunderstood and confused with the Brahman concept of Mukti (redemption), but it is not right. Buddha clearly speaks of only those who have already reached the other side of the barrier here on earth before their death. This simply means that according to him, no man could have access to the hereafter, unless he had experienced it during his life here on earth, a teaching close to the Quranic precept. He preached that by being at one with God, man rises above life and death and becomes eternal.

At the end of the chapter, Pingiya, a follower of Buddha describes the excellence of his master which becomes instrumental in converting him to Buddhism. Having already expressed that he was enfeebled by old age and close to dying, Pingiya concludes his discussion with the following statement:

'Assuredly I shall go to the immovable, the unshakable, the likeness of which does not exist anywhere. I have no doubt about this. Thus consider me to be one whose mind is so disposed.'6

This illustrates the hope and expectation of a disciple of Buddha, that after his death he will meet his Lord, who is described as immovable, unshakable and without likeness. This is a description of God in full agreement with that found in the scripture that is Quran. I am not citing recent sources, but the earliest of them all.

Saedi, I was just saying you were quoting the same interpetations they were using on the therevada Buddhist website I grew so sick of, a cult called the Forest Monk Tradition, which uses the same scriptures But twist them around to what's called Secular Buddhism. I was trained as a therevada Buddhist monk at a Cambodian temple, many of them believed in God, and said man had a spirit, not a soul, that reincarnated. You talk about Buddha mentioning God, what Pali word are you translating as God, the emptiness, the Dhammakaya????

 

[Acintya_Ash]

A perfect God that is not humane, but the creator of everything that is humane.

Krishna was a flawed human being, he is not God because he is not the flawless, perfect creator.

Bg 9.11 — Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be.

BG 7.25 -- I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am unborn and infallible.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

Namaste!

Acintya, I would be interested to hear your understanding of the emptiness, the wisdom that only the enlightened fully understand.

I believe ''emptiness'' or ''void'' of Buddhism is no different than Brahman (Infinite Universal Consciousness) of Advaita.

According to Advaita, Brahman is nirguna (without any qualities). But logically speaking, something that is without any attributes whatsoever is as good as nothing (sunya). If something has eternal existence (as the Mayavadis claim Brahman has) then it must have attributes, otherwise it is nothing. Since the Advaita Brahman and the Buddhists sunya have no attributes, they must be identical.

 

[Lyndon]

Do you affirm Brahman and Allah/God are the same?? This is the first time I am hearing this?? Because the Buddha talked a lot about Brahman but never said it was the emptiness, they were two different things(words) and he did not speak as highly of Brahman as he did the emptiness.

 

[Slaedi7324]

Saedi, I was just saying you were quoting the same interpetations they were using on the therevada Buddhist website I grew so sick of, a cult called the Forest Monk Tradition, which uses the same scriptures But twist them around to what's called Secular Buddhism. I was trained as a therevada Buddhist monk at a Cambodian temple, many of them believed in God, and said man had a spirit, not a soul, that reincarnated. You talk about Buddha mentioning God, what Pali word are you translating as God, the emptiness, the Dhammakaya????

I see, sorry. I misread your post. True, today people try to make Buddha into an atheist and that his religion was a secular philosophy, but this is simply not true.
I am a true Theravada Buddhist and his earliest accounts clearly prove that his was a monotheist.

About the word God in Buddhist languages. He uses many words.

Krishna taught a variety of things, so i think you've concluded by incomplete evaluation. He missed no philosophy. He taught Bhakti Yoga in 12th chapter of Bhagavad Gita and the Path of Sumbmission to God in 18th Chapter. Krishna taught Islam+++.

I respect your belief but I suspect Maitreya could be Second coming of Christ, which as per Hinduism is Kalki avatar because that is there the three religions coincide. I believe this is more plausible. The predicted time for Kalki/Christ is before the end of the world and so Mohammed can't be him

Sorry, but is not Islam. Also about Muhammad weren't the Maitreya is based on no evidence other than your interpretation that a Maitreya had to be in at the end of the word's times, which simply is not true.

If you really think Krishna is Prophet of God, can you prove this by showing some kind of proof?

 

[Slaedi7324]

Do you affirm Brahman and Allah/God are the same?? This is the first time I am hearing this??

Of course, Brahman is Allah. They are the same. Brahman is not a Hindu God, but a term that defines a God that fits to some certain criteria. Allah fits to it, thus he is Brahman.

Brahman is a umbrella term that talks about all the omniscience and omnipotence of God.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

Can you explain me these verses? Here they are:

Sorry i have not read the Vedas. Also it appears that you've cherry picked the hostile verses. Please read wrt. context to understand things better

Thank you

 

[Lyndon]

I used to believe the Buddha incarnated a second time as Jesus, and a third time as Ali, the Nephew?? of Mohammad, and the one the "heretical" Shiites almost called God. I still think its certainly a possibility, although it SEEMS unlikely.

I'm sorry but I had never heard anyone refer to Brahman as Allah, I will have to study this.

Remember the Maitreya is not the reincarnation of Shakyamuni Buddha, and the prophecy said 4500AD, not 4000AD as I mistakenly posted earlier.

 

[Slaedi7324]

Sorry i have not read the Vedas. Also it appears that you've cherry picked the hostile verses. Please read wrt. context to understand things better

Thank you

May I ask you, do you believe the world was created from a lotus flower by Brahma, when Vishnu was sleeping on a big snake, floating on the ocean? Don't you know that is the definition of mythology as it makes no sense and doesn't answer the question of how we were created?

 

[Acintya_Ash]

Do you affirm Brahman and Allah/God are the same?

Well in Advaita they are not. But i'm not an Advaitist, so for me Allah/God is Brahman.

Because the Buddha talked a lot about Brahman but never said it was the emptiness, they were two different things(words) and he did not speak as highly of Brahman as he did the emptiness.

I think Buddha wouldn't reject the notion of an Impersonal Brahman, because Advaita also accepts Impersonal Brahman as Supreme. An important reason for say equating both is that before Adi Shankara established Advaita Buddhism was in full swing in India, but then Advaita flourished as it assimilated the concepts of Buddhism quite well.

For similarities read: Mayavada and Buddhism – Are They One and the Same? | Sri Narasingha Chaitanya Ashram

Thank you

 

[Acintya_Ash]

If you really think Krishna is Prophet of God, can you prove this by showing some kind of proof?

First of all, I don't believe Krishna is Prophet of God but God himself.. And Bhagavad Gita is the proof Bhagavad-gītā As It Is | Bhaktivedanta Vedabase Online

 

[Slaedi7324]

Salaam Aleikum, Acintya Ash.

I have a challenge for you, as I am a Muslim. I do not regard the Vedas or any of your religious books as authentic, I am neither a pantheist. And reject the notion that Krishna is God. But, I am willing to accept Krishna as prophet, if you prove to me how he is Prophet of God, rather than a god. Krishna is not God, he is historically a human being.

1: did he preach Islam? If he did, how?

 

[Acintya_Ash]

May I ask you, do you believe the world was created from a lotus flower by Brahma, when Vishnu was sleeping on a big snake, floating on the ocean?

That is a devotional perspective of description of creation and its beautiful. I believe in Big Bang Theory and Vedic Cosmology which is quite sensible and close to what Modern Science says.

Don't you know that is the definition of mythology as it makes no sense and doesn't answer the question of how we were created?

There are answers, and you'll find them if you seek for them. Mythologies are used to convey abstract ideas in a fanciful manner. Sometimes they can have literal meaning and sometimes metaphorical.

Thank you

 

[Lyndon]

Thats not even close to enough evidence!!