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Moses lived in Egypt and preached to ancient Egyptians, not Hebrews.Still reading and catching up, but just wanted to point out: Abraham already went to the Hebrews, why did God need Moses??
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Moses lived in Egypt and preached to ancient Egyptians, not Hebrews.Still reading and catching up, but just wanted to point out: Abraham already went to the Hebrews, why did God need Moses??
I don't think Moses gave the Egyptians the Pentateuch, he gave it to the Hebrews. Why do that if the Scrolls of Abraham would suffice??Moses lived in Egypt and preached to ancient Egyptians, not Hebrews.
Greetings to all of you, especially to the Muslims as I have a question for you:
When I was looking at Wikipedia about Krishna, I see that Ahmadis and followers of Baha'i Faith believe in Krishna to be prophet of God, followers of Baha'i Faith only believe that because their prophet told them that he was, but the Ahmadis claim to have proof of Muhammad teaching that Krishna was prophet of God. They come with this Hadith:
"There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan."
According to the official Ahmadi website: "Now anyone acquainted with the history of Indian religions would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna, who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna. Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan -- in no way an insignificant similarity. But whether any non-Arab prophet was mentioned by name or not is only an academic discussion. There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets."
Therefore, the Hadith speaks about Krishna as a prophet. But is the Hadith authentic and from where is the source? It has taken me many months to find out, the source of the Hadith is from a book called "Taarikh-i-Hamdaan Dailami" Baab-ul-Kaaf. See Pocket book p: 854 by Malik Abdur Rehman Khadim 6th edition Published in 1952.
But is it authentic? It seems to be weak.
Either way, thanks for the help.
While this is an interesting idea, Abrahamic faiths have absolutely no connection with Hindu deities. Krishna is not thought of by Hindus as a prophet of the God of Abraham, and the cult of Krishna was in fact around long before there were any ideas about a God of Abraham. The primary book about Krishna, (a section of the Mahabharata called the Bhagavad Gita) does not present him as a prophet, but as God himself. A pantheistic god, who is in fact the inmost self of all beings. In fact, Krishna says that no matter what god you worship, it is really him. All gods are permutations of him. If some followers of a later religion such as Islam should decide to try and hijack Krishna as somehow being part of their story, or a prophet of their god, this really has nothing to do with Krishna. Because according to Krishna, any god you believe in is simply a spin off of him, and when you peel away the layers of the onion, he is just you, pretending to be something other than what you really are, which is God.
Greetings to all of you, especially to the Muslims as I have a question for you:
When I was looking at Wikipedia about Krishna, I see that Ahmadis and followers of Baha'i Faith believe in Krishna to be prophet of God, followers of Baha'i Faith only believe that because their prophet told them that he was, but the Ahmadis claim to have proof of Muhammad teaching that Krishna was prophet of God. They come with this Hadith:
"There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan."
According to the official Ahmadi website: "Now anyone acquainted with the history of Indian religions would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna, who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna. Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan -- in no way an insignificant similarity. But whether any non-Arab prophet was mentioned by name or not is only an academic discussion. There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets."
Therefore, the Hadith speaks about Krishna as a prophet. But is the Hadith authentic and from where is the source? It has taken me many months to find out, the source of the Hadith is from a book called "Taarikh-i-Hamdaan Dailami" Baab-ul-Kaaf. See Pocket book p: 854 by Malik Abdur Rehman Khadim 6th edition Published in 1952.
But is it authentic? It seems to be weak.
Either way, thanks for the help.
Will you please provide the reference from Quran in this connection?The second time that he is mentioned, he is praised yet again as the Company of the Good. These describe Buddha, the name is even a title for Buddha. It is sensical to assume that this man was Buddha.
Greetings, Acintya_Ash & Poeticus.
I believe that you have both misinterpret what I truly meant to say and I might have not expressed myself eloquently, in my first reply.
Let me give you an insight what I believe about Buddha and why he is the prophet of God:
Buddha is mentioned in the Quran, under the title Dhul-Kifl, Kifl is an Arabic form of "Kapil," which is a shorter form of Kapilavastu, which is where Buddha significantly appeared. God mentions Buddha twice in the Quran as Dhul-Kifl. God praises Buddha as a prophet. The first time Buddha is mentioned in the Quran, he is described as a man of constancy and patience, which is true. He also called him for a righteous man. The second time that he is mentioned, he is praised yet again as the Company of the Good. These describe Buddha, the name is even a title for Buddha. It is sensical to assume that this man was Buddha.
Now, that is what Quran has shared with us about Buddha, now we need to make our own research about the history of Buddha.
Some Buddhist scriptures are written in Pali, but Buddha was born in Nepal and spoke the language that is Sanskrit. This has been unanimously agreed upon by various scholars.
I will now mention some facts that we know about the history of Buddha:
He taught peace and Jihad (i.e striving, good deeds), he met with many of the divine through his asceticism. One of these were Mara (which is Satan), other times he met with God or the Angels. He learned to control his desires and he performed several miracles, such as taming a wild elephant.
What proves Buddha to be a prophet is that several of his teachings are very similar to Quran, Buddha taught about a messiah that will return to restore the true messages of his that has been corrupted, this fulfillment has occurred through Jesus Christ to Mohammad's Quran. He knew that all the prophets' messages will be destroyed and predicted Muhammad to return and restore them through what Jesus originally taught.
We are taught that God has sent prophets to every nation and region:
"And for every nation is a messenger. So when their messenger comes, it will be judged between them in justice, and they will not be wronged." [Q, 10:47]
This verse is reflecting upon what I meant to say. The Quran teaches every nation had a prophet, not to submit to God, but to avoid from being wronged, meaning deviate from idolatry, Buddha always taught that no one should ever worship him or make any sculptures of him, he several times taught that he were no different from any other man.
Because of this, he is still qualified to be called the prophet of God, even if he didn't preach about God. When I say that he were a prophet, I do not mean a messenger or prophet in the sense that he preached what God told him, but I do believe that he was considered to be a curious man that wished to understand why there were misery in this world and had questions to God and he achieved wisdom like no other person, since God had ordained him with divine knowledge and a compassionate universal message, that is very compatible with Islam and why he is a sage and in some sense a prophet as a prophet means to be divine or divinely inspired or having the ability to meet the divine.
Therefore, his silence on submission to God do not change that he still were a prophet, which the first reply of the other user disagreed upon.
I did not say that he preached about submitting yourself to God, what I said is that he weren't silent on God in his everyday times when he had debates, although he were mostly silent in his teachings. But what he spoke about God does not contradict my opinions, I said that he did believe in God and that he received the answers of the questions he asked.
Buddha never taught about this God, but he did believe in the same God. That is what I said.
But, he admitted some kind of truths on that his teachings were not infallible, he admitted that his teachings has the capacity to change and be nullified and abrogated according to times, on what he will adapt to, which is somewhat him saying that his teachings will be changed to fit to those of Jesus and Muhammad's teachings in the future, in my interpretation.
His purpose was only a messenger from God to make the people not to be wronged, which was his job and he did it well, he wasn't supposed to be anything more. He submitted to God by meditating. He was a Muslim in every way, he taught peace, promoted knowledge and submission to yourself. He spread knowledge and awareness in his own way.
The God that Buddha believed in can be found in the Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus:
From the story "The Two Brahmans;"
The Holy One said: 'The Brahmans cling to the five things leading to worldliness and yield to the temptations of the senses; they are entangled in the five hindrances, lust, malice, sloth, pride, and doubt. How can they be united to that which is most unlike their nature? Therefore the threefold wisdom of the Brahmans is a waterless desert, a pathless jungle, and a hopeless desolation.' When the Buddha had thus spoken, one of the Brahmans said: 'We are told, Gotama, that the Sakyamuni knows the path to a union with Brahma.' And the Blessed One said: 'What do you think, O Brahmans, of a man born and brought up in Manasakata? Would he be in doubt about the most direct way from this spot to Manasakata?' 'Certainly not, Gotama.' 'Thus,' replied the Buddha, 'the Tathagata knows the straight path that leads to a union with Brahma. He knows it as one who has entered the world of Brahma and has been born in it. There can be no doubt in the Tathagata.' The two young Brahmans said: 'If thou knowest the way show it to us.' And the Buddha said: 'The Tathagata sees the universe face to face and understands its nature. He proclaims the truth both in its letter and in its spirit, and his doctrine is glorious in its origin, glorious in its progress, glorious in its consummation. The Tathagata reveals the higher life in its purity and perfection. He can show you the way to that which is contrary to the five great hindrances. The Tathagata lets his mind pervade the four quarters of the world with thoughts of love. And thus the whole wide world, above, below, around, and everywhere will continue to be filled with love, far-reaching, grown great, and beyond measure. just as a mighty trumpeter makes himself heard--and that without difficulty--in all the four quarters of the earth; even so is the coming of the Tathagata: there is not one living creature that the Tathagata passes by or leaves aside, but regards them all with mind set free, and deep-felt love.'
Tathagata: What I perceive to be the highest realm in meditation and asceticism, he is referring to the Barzakh.
Brahma: The creative force of Brahman. In other words; the divinity of God.
Brahman: The transcendent absolute being that pervades and supports all reality. Another definition of Brahman is that which is absolute, fills all space, is complete in itself, to which there is no second, and which is continuously present in everything, from the Creator down to the lowest of matter. It, being everywhere, is also in each and every individual.
The word "Brahman" is not a deity in itself, just like "God" does not mean the Christian deity. It's a term to refer to a definition of such a deity that is all-knowing, all-powerful, etcetera. Whose ability is everything. God of Islam fits to the definition of "Brahman."
That, above, is what I meant by "... but his language (Sanskrit) expressed God in a different way."
In this story, we see that Buddha do believe in a supreme God. If Buddha claimed there is no such thing as God, why is he discussing God with Brahmans? By Buddha claiming to know the path to Brahma he was also claiming to know the path to Brahman. In other words, he knew the correct path to God and he preached that path.
Buddha's views on God as you lists are either prior to his Buddhahood or interpolated during the 500 years oral transmission. We are not to expect an unaltered story here. Problem of evil, which was a philosophy Buddha had prior to his enlightenment and prophethood, were only that, philosophies prior to his enlightenment, he had questions and they were answered by God during his enlightenment. They shouldn't be used here.
Thank you for reading my opinions.
Well that is an opinion.
Regards
No all the accepted Vedic scriptures and BhagawadGita says Sri Krushna is the only Supreme and he is in everything from the smallest atom to entire universe and Sri Krushna is the supreme godhead himself and all others are mini gods employed by him to perform various duties....Idk on what basis hadith has quoted Krushna as prophet of God when all the scriptures clearly say he is supreme brahman?You don't know much about God, obviously. Krishna was a man on earth, he can claim as much divinity as Jesus, but nothing much more, same for Buddha, basically they are all prophets of some God, maybe not the same God, but prophets, the idea that a God could walk on earth in their full power is totally preposterous.
You don't know much about God, obviously. Krishna was a man on earth, he can claim as much divinity as Jesus, but nothing much more, same for Buddha, basically they are all prophets of some God, maybe not the same God, but prophets, the idea that a God could walk on earth in their full power is totally preposterous.
I appreciate your viewpoint.You don't know much about God, obviously. Krishna was a man on earth, he can claim as much divinity as Jesus, but nothing much more, same for Buddha, basically they are all prophets of some God, maybe not the same God, but prophets, the idea that a God could walk on earth in their full power is totally preposterous.
I see that Ahmadis and followers of Baha'i Faith believe in Krishna to be prophet of God, followers of Baha'i Faith only believe that because their prophet told them that he was, but the Ahmadis claim to have proof of Muhammad teaching that Krishna was prophet of God. They come with this Hadith:
there are atleast 2 instances in your posted articleSince this issue has been brought up .. Let me offer a few points. To be more correct.. Baha'is believe Krishna was a Manifestation of God.. that is, that God was manifested in Him. The suggestion that when there is darkness a new Manifestation appears is found in the Baha'i Writings as well as the Gita.
Secondly there are also similarities in our view to the Bhakti or devotional statements in the Bhagavad Gita and the Gospel of John.
Abdu'l-Bahá said:
"The Message of Krishna is the message of love. All God's prophets have brought the message of love. None has ever thought that war and hate are good. Every one agrees in saying that love and kindness are best."
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Paris Talks, p. 35
For more information see:
http://bahai-library.com/momen_hinduism_bahai&chapter=2
(speculation time) Is there a God?(speculation time) Krisna had been a Prophet of Allah, and Hinduism had become (as you said earlier) far from Islam... why would he not send a new Prophet to correct the mistakes, ..
If God/Gods/Goddesses exist and decide to come to earth in the form of a man or a lion, who can stop them from doing what they want?.. the idea that a God could walk on earth in their full power is totally preposterous.
Well, for Hindus, he surely is. What is the problem in his fitting in the argument.As for the Buddha, I really don't think he fits in the argument, ..
Bahaullah did not say anything about Krishna or any other Hindu God/Goddess. You forget there are Godesses too.Abdu'l-Bahá said:
?....A pantheistic god, who is in fact the inmost self of all beings. In fact, Krishna says that no matter what god you worship, it is really him. All gods are permutations of him. If some followers of a later religion such as Islam should decide to try and hijack Krishna as somehow being part of their story, or a prophet of their god, this really has nothing to do with Krishna. Because according to Krishna, any god you believe in is simply a spin off of him, and when you peel away the layers of the onion, he is just you, pretending to be something other than what you really are, which is God.
However i found your posted link interesting, does Baha'i have concept of reincarnation