Muslims; is Lord Krishna a prophet of God?

[Godobeyer]

Moses lived in Egypt and preached to ancient Egyptians, not Hebrews.

does Jews believed that Moses (pbuh) preach to ancient Egyptians ?

I believe it's both , Moses preach to Jews and Egyptians the religion of God , since Torah belong to him .

 

[Gary Sheldrake]

From Aupmanyav: v, post: 4425264, member: 11823"](speculation time) Well, for Hindus, he surely is. What is the problem in his fitting in the argument. [/QUOTE]

Well, I don;t see how the Buddha fits into this discussion, but I am open to any explanation as to why he fits here. That's how I learn and I am not afraid to be wrong.

All the best,
Gary

 

[Aupmanyav]

Buddha is the avatara of Vishnu after appearing as Krishna in a different age.Krishna taught the value of one's duty, even if it was to fight in a war. Buddha taught compassion to all. Lord Vishnu in both these cases was in human form. Since I am an atheist Hindu and follow non-duality (advaita), existence of God is a question to be considered by me in 'speculation time'.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"'The Bahá'í view of 'reincarnation' is essentially different from the Hindu conception."

Yes, Hindu and Bahai views are poles apart. They do not match each other. Hindus make everything a manifestation of God, not just a particular person who is somebody's dad or grandpa.

 

[arthra]

Yes, Hindu and Bahai views are poles apart. They do not match each other. Hindus make everything a manifestation of God, not just a particular person who is somebody's dad or grandpa.

Thanks for you post!

Of course there are many "Hindu views"...as I'm sure you are no doubt aware!

In this case, for Baha'is the term Manifestation of God has a definitive meaning... God does not descend or incarnate Himself in a physical body.

A Manifestation of God perfectly reflects the attributes of God and conveys the Divine Message to people..

Abdul-Baha explains that the Manifestations

`... are as mirrors which have acquired illumination from the Sun of Truth, but the Sun does not descend from its high zenith and does not effect entrance within the mirror. In truth, this mirror has attained complete polish and purity until the utmost capacity of reflection has been developed in it; therefore, the Sun of Reality with its fullest effulgence and splendour is revealed therein.'

God's attributes are reflected in His creation but in varying degrees.

There is an excellent article in my view that delineates the Baha'i concept:

http://bahai-library.com/books/quest/quest.06.html

 

[Aupmanyav]

Is an 'avatara' only a reflection of God? Hindus differ with this view. The trinity of Hinduism is known as 'Guna Avataras' (Brahma for creation, Vishnu for preservation and Shiva for destruction). All nine avataras of Lord Vishnu were God himself incarnate (Purna avataras) and so will be the tenth, Kalki, who is to come 427,000 years later. Then there are 'amshavataras', these are the sages in Hinduism who have the 'spark' of God, and these were many.

 

[psychoslice]

I feel that if Krishna was their prophet, then much of Islam would not be so aggressive today as they are, they would be dancing in the streets.

 

[Gary Sheldrake]

Buddha is the avatara of Vishnu after appearing as Krishna in a different age.Krishna taught the value of one's duty, even if it was to fight in a war. Buddha taught compassion to all. Lord Vishnu in both these cases was in human form. Since I am an atheist Hindu and follow non-duality (advaita), existence of God is a question to be considered by me in 'speculation time'.

While I know that some do count the Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu, I was unaware that this was a generally accepted idea among most Hindus. With regard to Krishna and war, I was under the impression that the battle of Kurukshetra was more or less allegorical, wherein the battle between Pandavas and the Kauravas represents the battle between every human being and their lower proclivities or sanskaras, with each member of the Kaurava family representing some lower tendency. This is why yogis who follow Krishna follow the discipline of Ahimsa, which involves harming no living creature. They do this with the understanding that Arjuna is a metaphor for every person, and his battle was the struggle we face in shying away from the task of overcoming rajasic and tamasic tendencies while cultivating sattvic practices.

All the best,
Gary

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yes, there are many ways to understand Sri Bhagawad Gita and the Mahabharata war. Theists will say that it was was an actual war, intellectuals will say it is allegorical. I take it as emphasizing one's duty. You can say I am a 'dharma' freak. What is the right course of action? At many times this question can be a challenge to a person. IMHO, Lord Krishna explained it very well.

"Sukha-duḥkhe same kṛitvā, lābha alābhau jaya ajayau;
tato yuddhāya yujyasva, naivaḿ pāpam avāpsyasi." Bhagawad Gita 2.38

(Considering happiness or distress, loss or gain, victory or defeat as same, engage in war (because it is your duty at the moment), and by so doing you shall never incur sin.)

Now one may take this war to be between duty and direliction of duty or between right action or wrong action.

Majority of Hindus consider Lord Buddha as a God (to the chagrin of Buddhists), but that is what is written in our scriptures. Children are lovingly given names of Buddha (Gautama, Siddhartha, Buddha, Tathagata, and, in case of my son and many others, Amitabha). Regards

 

[Unification]

Greetings to all of you, especially to the Muslims as I have a question for you:

When I was looking at Wikipedia about Krishna, I see that Ahmadis and followers of Baha'i Faith believe in Krishna to be prophet of God, followers of Baha'i Faith only believe that because their prophet told them that he was, but the Ahmadis claim to have proof of Muhammad teaching that Krishna was prophet of God. They come with this Hadith:

"There was a prophet of God in India who was dark in colour and his name was Kahan."

According to the official Ahmadi website: "Now anyone acquainted with the history of Indian religions would immediately connect this description to Lord Krishna, who is invariably described in the Hindu literature as being dark of complexion. Also, the title Kanhaya is added to his name Krishna. Kanhaya contains the same consonants K,N,H as does the name Kahan -- in no way an insignificant similarity. But whether any non-Arab prophet was mentioned by name or not is only an academic discussion. There is no denying the fact that the Holy Quran makes it incumbent on every Muslim not only to believe in all the prophets, but it also clearly informs us that in every region of the world and in every age, God did raise messengers and prophets."

Therefore, the Hadith speaks about Krishna as a prophet. But is the Hadith authentic and from where is the source? It has taken me many months to find out, the source of the Hadith is from a book called "Taarikh-i-Hamdaan Dailami" Baab-ul-Kaaf. See Pocket book p: 854 by Malik Abdur Rehman Khadim 6th edition Published in 1952.

But is it authentic? It seems to be weak.

Either way, thanks for the help.

No, but Krishnamurti was pretty wise.

Krishna is just an outward deity for a symbol of potential in the mind.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Which Krishnamurthy are you talking about? Well, there are many ways to accept Krishna, as you say 'an outward deity for a symbol of potential in the mind' or an incarnation of the Hindu God Vishnu or as the God Supreme. And different people have different takes (which is OK in Hinduism).