Muslims only: Does Islam support creation or evolution?

[Gharib]

That is like America is looking to find a solution for AIDS and Islam comes and brings the Qur'an and says to stop pre-marital intercourse and all America says is, "I'm sorry, that practice speaks of the Islamic view, that's an invalid view from an American perspective. Nice try though."

Invalid example, good effort though.

 

[OurCreed]

Invalid example, good effort though.

Only for those with sealed hearts as the Qur'an says. Pretty sure you've read it in Surah Baqarah.

 

[Gharib]

Only for those with sealed hearts as the Qur'an says. Pretty sure you've read it in Surah Baqarah.

Yes many times, I don't suppose you are one such person though, I mean you can't even pick up on the fault of your own example. So the next best thing is to insult me.

Thanks, I guess.

 

[F0uad]

No Islam does not teach human-evolution ask the 1,8 Billion Muslims living on this planet.
The Ahmiday community is just a sect that has it owns belief that contradicts mainstream Islam(Sunnism and Shiaism) yet again.

 

[Rational_Mind]

No Islam does not teach human-evolution ask the 1,8 Billion Muslims living on this planet.
The Ahmiday community is just a sect that has it owns belief that contradicts mainstream Islam(Sunnism and Shiaism) yet again.

1. How much do you know about evolution? How much have you studied?
2. Does Islam teach majority is right? If so please cite.

 

[Gharib]

1. How much do you know about evolution? How much have you studied?

It's not a matter of how much one knows of evolution, it's a matter of how much you know from the Qur'an?

[4:1]O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.

2. Does Islam teach majority is right? If so please cite.

You sure had that implication when you said no one else shares my views on this forum. Did you forget.

 

[Rational_Mind]

It's not a matter of how much one knows of evolution, it's a matter of how much you know from the Qur'an?

[4:1]O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you.

I was under the impression that you thought Sahih International was the better translation of the Holy Quran. I think here Muhsin Khan essentially inserted his commentary right into the verse and translated it with his view.

O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allah , through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer. (Sahih International 4:1)

And Allah has made for you from yourselves mates and has made for you from your mates sons and grandchildren and has provided for you from the good things. Then in falsehood do they believe and in the favor of Allah they disbelieve? (16:72)

[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing. (42:11)

As it has now become clear, all these verses are related and they have no conflict what so ever with the idea that mankind evolved. I suggest you do your research before disputing these issues as it is unacademic otherwise.

You sure had that implication when you said no one else shares my views on this forum. Did you forget.

I may have forgotten. If you remind me I can look into it and apologize if I was wrong.

 

[Gharib]

I was under the impression that you thought Sahih International was the better translation of the Holy Quran. I think here Muhsin Khan essentially inserted his commentary right into the verse and translated it with his view.

Lately I have been using Muhsin Khan, nonetheless, I still think that Sahih International is better than the other translations most of the time.

But regardless of which translation I use the meaning is clear. It says we were created from this one 'nafs' (it says nafs in Arabic) Please show me how it is possible for one human to not only evolve into something else but into many of those something else's.

The verse is clear in Arabic, it uses the word 'nafs' and the word 'wahid' only once each. Now I'm no expert at Arabic, but I know the meaning of those two words.

It doesn't say that we evolved. How could two beings evolve from one? It created from this one original nafs it's mate and from the both many men and women. How is it possible for humans to come about from one person other than through what Islam teaches?

As it has now become clear, all these verses are related and they have no conflict what so ever with the idea that mankind evolved. I suggest you do your research before disputing these issues as it is unacademic otherwise.

please show me where exactly is there the slightest hint that the 'evolution' of one species to another occurred?

I may have forgotten. If you remind me I can look into it and apologize if I was wrong.

Don't worry about it. Just choose your words more carefully next time. If you can't be bothered to remember your own posts what makes you think I would?

 

[FearGod]

i can see no place for evolution in Islam as it shows that all living organism have been evolved from simpler form to more advance one in means of random and chances.

i wonder how some one called himself as a muslim and then defend the theory of evolution.

Islam teachs that we are created and not evolved from a simpler form of life.

In evolution there is 2 main factors and which is the unconscious nature and the living organism.

Assuming that the first cell came to life by chance and of course any living organism got no power to fix the process of its own progress,so if talking in logic its effect is Zero (OFF) and as for the unconscious nature it has no effect to fix the progress of the living organism,so in logic it is also Zero (OFF)

So speaking in logic terms which all of us can understand

Nature (OFF) + Living organism (OFF) = OFF (Zero outcome)

Not only in words of religion,but even the mind won't accept such nonsense.

 

[Rational_Mind]

i can see no place for evolution in Islam as it shows that all living organism have been evolved from simpler form to more advance one in means of random and chances.

i wonder how some one called himself as a muslim and then defend the theory of evolution.

Islam teachs that we are created and not evolved from a simpler form of life.

In evolution there is 2 main factors and which is the unconscious nature and the living organism.

Assuming that the first cell came to life by chance and of course any living organism got no power to fix the process of its own progress,so if talking in logic its effect is Zero (OFF) and as for the unconscious nature it has no effect to fix the progress of the living organism,so in logic it is also Zero (OFF)

So speaking in logic terms which all of us can understand

Nature (OFF) + Living organism (OFF) = OFF (Zero outcome)

Not only in words of religion,but even the mind won't accept such nonsense.

How much have you read on evolution?

Do you know that there is a difference between theory of evolution and the accept fact of evolution. Fact of evolution cannot be denied, if one does then I suggest they should also stop saying that Quran is accurate on science. If you want real logic, having the view that Quran professes science, while denying evolution, this is called a contradiction.

 

[Rational_Mind]

Lately I have been using Muhsin Khan, nonetheless, I still think that Sahih International is better than the other translations most of the time.

I think you choose Muhsin Khan for convenience, there is nothing wrong with doing so, but you should have made it clear that it is quite different and why you believe it to be accurate.

But regardless of which translation I use the meaning is clear. It says we were created from this one 'nafs' (it says nafs in Arabic) Please show me how it is possible for one human to not only evolve into something else but into many of those something else's.

The verse is clear in Arabic, it uses the word 'nafs' and the word 'wahid' only once each. Now I'm no expert at Arabic, but I know the meaning of those two words.

Since you posted the verse in an attempt to show that Quran supports creationism, if you even know what creationism is. Then in that case I responded clearly demonstrating that their are related verses that expound on this verse. Is 'nafs' spiritual or physical? The answer to this question should be sufficient to end this discussion.

It doesn't say that we evolved. How could two beings evolve from one? It created from this one original nafs it's mate and from the both many men and women. How is it possible for humans to come about from one person other than through what Islam teaches?

I never stated this verse says we evolved. But clearly this verse does not support creationism, the point I was trying to make. In a related verse I posted, it says our mates are made from ourselves do you also take that to mean that they are physically made from oneself. I think a better understanding is needed here.

please show me where exactly is there the slightest hint that the 'evolution' of one species to another occurred?

I think we have already discussed this a long while back. Where you came to debate while not having done much research. I provided sufficient evidence, some so obvious that are embedded in the attribute of God "Rab", "one who completes in degrees".

Don't worry about it. Just choose your words more carefully next time. If you can't be bothered to remember your own posts what makes you think I would?

Although I am careful, if I have done so I apologize. Like I stated before, I am not aware of any such post, maybe it was in a different context. All I can say is that if you state you cannot remember maybe it should not have been brought up.

 

[F0uad]

1. How much do you know about evolution? How much have you studied?

Enough that i know HUMAN evolution isn't a part of Islam other evolution's theories are debatable.

Does Islam teach majority is right? If so please cite.

No but its a bit weird when over 1433 years Human evolution was never part of Islam until your sect came along, are you suggesting that all Muslims scientists in the past Shias, Sunnis and even modern Islamic scholars deny human-evolution on the basis of the Quran got it wrong but your sect has it right?

I can say that Human Evolution was never a part of Islam nor in its history except for your "Community/Sect''.

 

[Rational_Mind]

Enough that i know HUMAN evolution isn't a part of Islam other evolution's theories are debatable.


No but its a bit weird when over 1433 years Human evolution was never part of Islam until your sect came along, are you suggesting that all Muslims scientists in the past Shias, Sunnis and even modern Islamic scholars deny human-evolution on the basis of the Quran got it wrong but your sect has it right?

I can say that Human Evolution was never a part of Islam nor in its history except for your "Community/Sect''.

I guess it is a complete lack of your research. The entire concept of evolution essentially began from early Muslim scientists. Since you don't know much about evolution it is safer not to comment. It is blindingly biased to prove something wrong when you barely even know what it is.

 

[F0uad]

I guess it is a complete lack of your research. The entire concept of evolution essentially began from early Muslim scientists. Since you don't know much about evolution it is safer not to comment. It is blindingly biased to prove something wrong when you barely even know what it is.

You are refusing to accept the human-evolution was never part of it, your trying to mix evolution with human-evolution. Quote me these great Muslim scientists in the past who said that Human-evolution is inline with the Quran and not ahmiday's. Moreover don't mix Human-Evolution with Evolution next time.

 

[Rational_Mind]

You are refusing to accept the human-evolution was never part of it, your trying to mix evolution with human-evolution. Quote me these great Muslim scientists in the past who said that Human-evolution is inline with the Quran and not ahmiday's. Moreover don't mix Human-Evolution with Evolution next time.

I am just going to let you know that its time to learn what Evolution is before discrediting it. Nobody is asking you to deny Allah (swt) involvement in creation. If you are truthful you wouldn't be scared to do some reading, after all, God cannot be wrong.

Today denying the factual part of Evolution is equivalent to stating that Earth is flat. The point is that something factual happened, life definitely evolved, the only dispute is how did it come about, the theory of it. Learn to distinguish these two things. Currently, your view is contradictory to scientific facts, and you should accept that in your opinion Quran contradicts a widely accepted Scientific Fact.

 

[F0uad]

I am just going to let you know that its time to learn what Evolution is before discrediting it. Nobody is asking you to deny Allah (swt) involvement in creation. If you are truthful you wouldn't be scared to do some reading, after all, God cannot be wrong.

Today denying the factual part of Evolution is equivalent to stating that Earth is flat. The point is that something factual happened, life definitely evolved, the only dispute is how did it come about, the theory of it. Learn to distinguish these two things. Currently, your view is contradictory to scientific facts, and you should accept that in your opinion Quran contradicts a widely accepted Scientific Fact.

Thanks for showing your ignorance, i asked you to quote me a single Islamic scholar that beliefs in Human-Evolution and i am not talking about Evolution in general. You made the claim that there were Muslim Scholars who made the claim that the Quran or Islam teaches about such thing yet you refused to show us a single one.

You keep saying that i lack knowledge regarding the subject but i haven't even touched the subject, you like to discard people's opinion by saying they lack knowledge like you do in all your posts. So ill repeat myself again, can you show us a single Islamic scholar that believed in Human-Evolution or believed that Islamic teaches it?

 

[Monotheist 101]

Islam does not support Evolution.

I think you should rephrase that as...Islam does not support Human evolution..who is to say Allahs other creatures were sent down to earth before us..I am sure the Jinn occupied earth before us.. Islam does not oppose Evolution as a whole..Evolution in its simplest form mean change..change is inevitable because time does not stop moving forward.. The Islamic concept of Human creation of Adam opposes the current dominant view of Human evolution..not plants or other creatures tho..Please let me know if I am mistaken..cheers

 

[Aamer]

I've been thinking about this and I see no reason why Quran does NOT support evolution. Quran supports the big bang theory. Quran supports gravity.Quran supports that all life came from water. Quran supports planets orbiting on a prescribed rotation (21:30-34). So why not Adam and Eve and evolution? Could it not be possible that humans evolved from less advanced ancestors and when God deemed it time, they were given souls and the human race was born from a single pair? Once Adam and Eve were kicked out of heaven, they (their souls) were sent to earth and their bodies (Earthly) became "apparent to them". I have no proof. My answer is... I don't know. But God definitely created the big bang and set the wheels into motion... Is it not possible that evolution was part of his master design?

 

[OurCreed]

I think you should rephrase that as...Islam does not support Human evolution..who is to say Allahs other creatures were sent down to earth before us..I am sure the Jinn occupied earth before us.. Islam does not oppose Evolution as a whole..Evolution in its simplest form mean change..change is inevitable because time does not stop moving forward.. The Islamic concept of Human creation of Adam opposes the current dominant view of Human evolution..not plants or other creatures tho..Please let me know if I am mistaken..cheers

No, even humans had evolved, Islam does support human evolution, that would be against science if Islam hadn't.

But the human evolution isn't the same as Darwinism's theory.

Human evolution in Islam started with single celled organisms, later combined with materials of the Earth and water, and the Qur'an calls it 'clay'. The name Allah (swt) gave to the stages of human evolution was 'Adam'.

Modern Muslims have confused the name of every new stage 'Adam' with the first PROPHET Adam (as).

Adam (as) by the way, was not the first human, but the first prophet and messenger. Humans were already living way before him, for 100s of thousands of years.

 

[Aamer]

No, even humans had evolved, Islam does support human evolution, that would be against science if Islam hadn't.

But the human evolution isn't the same as Darwinism's theory.

Human evolution in Islam started with single celled organisms, later combined with materials of the Earth and water, and the Qur'an calls it 'clay'. The name Allah (swt) gave to the stages of human evolution was 'Adam'.

Modern Muslims have confused the name of every new stage 'Adam' with the first PROPHET Adam (as).

Adam (as) by the way, was not the first human, but the first prophet and messenger. Humans were already living way before him, for 100s of thousands of years.

I'm not saying you're wrong but what evidence do you have that humans were around long before Prophet Adam?