Muslims the least educated in the world?

[Brinne]

I have not met a muslim that accepts history as known.


have you met one that will admit muhammad plagiarized mythology?


That discounts half of the fictional prophets they claim once lived?


You take muhammads plagiarism, and Abraham and moses, exodus, flood away, noah, david, and other created prophets, how many muslims you think accept the truth, reality?

In fact, I know of a few Muslims who will indeed admit that. I know some who will not. They're all nice people nSorry I have an education here in Israelite and Christian history.

Are you trying to make a case for Abrahams historicity, are attacking the messenger?
onetheless.

No. You're completely missing the point of my argument. Please look beyond your own bias.

Well your point fails to address modern islam and how it has gone backwards due to religion alone.

That's not what I'm trying to address in the slightest. What I'm saying is that all the negatives you cited CANNOT be attributed to Islam directly as Islam, according to it's doctrine, does NOT oppose education and more importantly and relevant literacy.

Point out where exactly Islam says education or literacy is BAD and against the religion.

 

[outhouse]

In fact, I know of a few Muslims who will indeed admit that..

There has to be a few. But as a whole my statements are accurate are they not? I know mist muslims qualify.


To be muslims is to believe in muhammad talked to Gabriel. pretty hard to throw divinity out the window and be a muslim

They're all nice people

Yes so are my family and all the muslism I know.

according to it's doctrine, does NOT oppose education and more importantly and relevant literacy.

My point is that if the Koran states 1+1 = 76 it will not be argued, and you will not get many muslims to EVER admit the answer is 2 no matter how well you explain it, or evidence provided.


Have not seen any here including staff that will admit that their prophets are 100% mythology

 

[outhouse]

Point out where exactly Islam says education or literacy is BAD and against the religion.

They do not state it directly.


I am not saying the book teaches it. But it is directly indirectly responsible due to what it does teach.



You ignored my point as well, do you think YEC are fundamentalist and follow fanaticism?

 

[Brinne]

There has to be a few. But as a whole my statements are accurate are they not? I know mist muslims qualify.


To be muslims is to believe in muhammad talked to Gabriel. pretty hard to throw divinity out the window and be a muslim

This seems to be getting off topic and has little to do with the topic at hand.

Yes so are my family and all the muslism I know.

Good to know.

My point is that if the Koran states 1+1 = 76 it will not be argued, and you will not get many muslims to EVER admit the answer is 2 no matter how well you explain it, or evidence provided.


Have not seen any here including staff that will admit that their prophets are 100% mythology

See, you're making very broad subjective claims that generalize an entire group of people -- not to mention a lot of cannot be proven. I understand what you're getting across but it just seems far too broad a claim for me to get behind.

 

[outhouse]

I bumped up the literalist thread started a while ago. For you to address

 

[outhouse]

I understand what you're getting across but it just seems far too broad a claim for me to get behind.

Having debated muslims here, the point is I have not met one yet who still follows the religion that does not resemble a Christian YEC.

Asking for evolution here to bring back the glory that once was. Is this wrong?



Ones who have modernized to the point of not being called a follower, but still raised muslim are some of the best people I know. WE have staff here like this and shes great.

 

[Brinne]

They do not state it directly.

Well then if every Muslim is a literalist than how do deduct this from the Koran? Do to deduct such a thing without it literally being stated would make them not literalist.

You ignored my point as well, do you think YEC are fundamentalist and follow fanaticism?

I don't agree with their points but I don't think they can be consider fanatics in the same way that say people like ISIS can be.

 

[Brinne]

Having debated muslims here, the point is I have not met one yet who still follows the religion that does not resemble a Christian YEC.

Asking for evolution here to bring back the glory that once was. Is this wrong?

I've never met a member of the YEC so I can't actually comment on that.

I agree evolution should be taught in schools. However, I don't believe that is in the slightest what we were arguing over. Evolution hardly has anything to do with one's literacy, the subject of this thread.

 

[outhouse]

-- not to mention a lot of cannot be proven.

Oh no, that's just it is proven by hard factual evidence.

many of the prophets factually did not exist.


how can plagiarized mythological characters exist?



But that's not what proves it. Anthropology does

 

[FearGod]

Does this lack of education promote violence and terrorism due to poverty associated with ignorance?

Does religious belief promote this lack of education?

OR does lack of education promote religious belief?


Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment) - WikiIslam)


Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent


40% of muslims can read

almost 80% of Christians can read


That is a two to one ratio.


The 57-member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India.


Nearly half of all women in the Arab world are illiterate


Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, Alecso said in a statement.


Does this muslim ignorance breed terrorism???

You add this ignorance combined with the religions required fanaticism and fundamentalism, and the recipe for terrorism is obvious


Is it time for the world to address this issue and help educate these people because their own cultures do not promote education and knowledge at normal levels?

Can we even battle terrorism with education??

These countries don't drink wine, so i think there is a relation between drinking wine and education, not drinking wine will lead to terrorism.

So i think the solution is with the wine, they lack wine.

 

[Brinne]

Oh no, that's just it is proven by hard factual evidence.

many of the prophets factually did not exist.


how can plagiarized mythological characters exist?



But that's not what proves it. Anthropology does

That's not what I said at all, stop misappropriating the things I say

I said you cannot prove the CLAIMS you are making about ALL MUSLIMS, not the claims about the prophets.

 

[outhouse]

I said you cannot prove the CLAIMS you are making about ALL MUSLIMS, not the claims about the prophets.

Ok easy feller

Were having a good discussion, lets keep it that way.


Is not the muslim religion dependent on muhammads teachings being holy gods word?

 

[Brinne]

Ok easy feller

Were having a good discussion, lets keep it that way.

I'm aware, I was using all caps to make sure you could see what I was referring to, like highlighting in a way. Or putting emphasis on those words.

Is not the muslim religion dependent on muhammads teachings being holy gods word?

I would assume so. I can't speak for all Muslims considering I'm not a Muslim myself though. Ask a Muslim that question, they'll be better for a debate of that caliber than I.

 

[outhouse]

I would assume so. I can't speak for all Muslims considering I'm not a Muslim myself though. Ask a Muslim that question, they'll be better for a debate of that caliber than I.

I have, that all admit to this book as being gods word as central to their faith.

 

[outhouse]

I'm aware, I was using all caps to make sure you could see what I was referring to, like highlighting in a way. Or putting emphasis on those words.

.

If you knew me better here, you would know I claim many times that most muslims are good people.

 

[oldbadger]

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[Brinne]

If you knew me better here, you would know I claim many times that most muslims are good people.

Your past doesn't really interest me, I mean that in the most kind way possible but it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. I am saying what I'm saying based off of the claims in this thread a lone.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Does this lack of education promote violence and terrorism due to poverty associated with ignorance?

Does religious belief promote this lack of education?

OR does lack of education promote religious belief?

Most of the leaders of Muslim countries are fundamentalist, and education lessens the incidence of fundamentalism, so they discourage education. The fundamentalist Christian denominations are the least educated as well. It's much easier to control an illiterate and ignorant population. In America, at least we stress education, which will lessen fundamentalism and extremism. I guess those Muslims who favor education, especially for females, can move to more moderate countries.

 

[oldbadger]

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[outhouse]

The Islamic Golden Age .

Is not being ignored at all.