Muslims the least educated in the world?

[outhouse]

Most of the leaders of Muslim countries are fundamentalist, and education lessens the incidence of fundamentalism, so they discourage education.

Do you have any examples?


I don't think that can be generalized but I don't know either.

The fundamentalist Christian denominations are the least educated as well.

Agreed. \

I guess those Muslims who favor education, especially for females, can move to more moderate countries.

Its sad

 

[outhouse]

I am saying what I'm saying based off of the claims in this thread a lone.

You have not yet refuted the fanaticism Im addressing.

Which is required by the religion.


I have yet to meet a muslim that accepts credible biblical scholarships.

 

[Brinne]

You have not yet refuted the fanaticism Im addressing.

Which is required by the religion.


I have yet to meet a muslim that accepts credible biblical scholarships.

That's entirely based upon your definition of fanaticism, which is quite broad.

It's not fair to make a claim for one of the biggest religious groups in the world based upon your subjective experiences with the community. I think that's what you're failing to realize.

 

[outhouse]

That's entirely based upon your definition of fanaticism, which is quite broad.

.

fair enough


But do you consider YEC under fanaticism?

 

[Brinne]

fair enough


But do you consider YEC under fanaticism?

I'm familiar with their mission but not familiar enough with their 'work' (if they've done any) to really make a comment. If you've heard of them doing anything harmful, like a specific event, link me to an article about it and I'll read it.

 

[outhouse]

I'm familiar with their mission but not familiar enough with their 'work' (if they've done any) to really make a comment. If you've heard of them doing anything harmful, like a specific event, link me to an article about it and I'll read it.

No need to reply

If you cannot see fanaticism in people who think the world was created 6000-10000 years ago due to religious belief alone. You will never see fanaticism or fundamentalism.

 

[Looncall]

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The Islamic Golden Age was when the Muslims lived in a time where the value of knowledge was at its peak. During this period, the Muslim world was an intellectual center for humanities, sciences, philosophy, medicine, education, and more. They drove the cause of knowledge with the establishment of the Bayt Al Hikmah (House of Wisdom) in Baghdad – an Institute which was a library, place for translating all scholarly work, and research center. It was known as a major intellectual hub. Because the Muslim world administered an ideology of collecting, synthesizing and significantly advancing knowledge gained from the ancient Roman, Chinese, Indian, Persian, Egyptian, North African, Greek, Byzantine, and other civilizations, this led to the development of well rounded human beings who were the finest leaders, critical thinkers, and achievers of our time. Many learned Muslim and non-Muslim scholars gathered at this Institute to review all the world's knowledge and share information, ideas, and research which was used toward development of the human mind, body, and soul. The primary influences of this era were Qur'anic guidelines and hadiths such as "the ink of a scholar is more holy than the blood of a martyr" stressing the value of education. They recognized that Islam is a complete religion and the Quran is a book of powerful knowledge directly from God - The only book never tampered with as promised by God.

Its authentic knowledge remains in tact covering a sea of subjects ranging from the Arts to the Sciences. They understood how imperative it was to utilize this knowledge to its deepest benefits and complement all general subjects with it – whether it was maths, physics, sociology or any subject found even in today's top academic curricula. This governed the development of an education system that integrated Islamic values, information, and perspective within the general subjects and curricula, today known as Islamization of Knowledge (IOK). The results were profound. This type of complete education yielded ethical, honest, and powerful human beings – which is what the Muslim people were known for during the peak of their educational progress. Secular education alone never produced such results.

This is the type of research and educational institute upon which the World Muslim Education Service (WMES) is modeled after. With scholars, contributors, and a Review Board from around the world, here you will find complete education packages for all levels at no cost. The best education should be the right of every man, woman, and child regardless of socio-economic background. At WMES we believe that good education should not be a status symbol, it should be the norm.

I agree that education is a good thing. I do not agree that it should be tainted with superstition.

Your propaganda is excessive. That society you describe was notorious as a slave owning society, after all.

It's funny that you lot go on about islam's golden age but always fail to mention that islam later abandoned those good things you mention in favour of its current ignorance and barbarous superstition.

 

[Bunyip]

Seems disengenuous in that our math, geometry and so many other foundations of modernity began in the Islamic world.

 

[FearGod]

No need to reply

If you cannot see fanaticism in people who think the world was created 6000-10000 years ago due to religious belief alone. You will never see fanaticism or fundamentalism.

Who said to you that muslims think that the world was created only 10000 years ago ?

That only proves how ignorant you are about Islam.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I'm glad I'm in the lucky few educated Muslims

 

[FearGod]

I'm glad I'm in the lucky few educated Muslims

Not as lucky as Ahmed Zewail.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Not as lucky as Ahmed Zewail.

Who's that?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Imagine what we might find were we to compare

the average education level of those who consume more hummus than pasta​

with

the average education level of those who consume more pasta than hummus.​

Now imagine what we might legitimately infer from this remarkable statistic. Simply that mining and manipulating statistics in the service of hate-monguering is cheap bigotry.

False equivalence. It doesn't matter what kind of food you eat and your education level usually has far less to do with it than the culture. However terrorism functions by whipping up hysteria and convincing people to do horrific things in a cult like seduction. I would bet my bottom dollar that education level has a huge impact on your gullibility. Not to mention the tactics used by many of the Islamic terrorist groups are based on misinformation that one would see through if one were educated.

This isn't an arbitrary bigoted scale.

 

[FearGod]

Who's that?

An Egyptian muslim scientist appointed as one of the president's council of advisors on science and technology.

President Obama Announces Members of Science and Technology Advisory Council | The White House

 

[Godobeyer]

That's funny because the worlds historians are in consensus about this.

And you have not brought a single historian to the debate in any thread.

Since your historians don't give a single evidene denied the existence of Abraham (pbuh) ,they are not consensus about Abrahim (pbuh) existence , you need to stop using their doubt, to said Abraham (pbuh) was not existence .

I posted you said they are no credible , (story)

muslim historian Ibn Kathir , report history of Abraham (pbuh) .

Ibn Kathir: Story of Prophet Ibrahim/Abraham (pbuh)

Everyone should seek out education and knowledge, yes.

what you Quote was not my whole question/post .

this was my origin post :

Should i agree with ALL your historians and with ALL your education manner and ALL of knowledge and maybe all of culture and tradition^p and way of life , to avoid to be fanatic ?[/QUOTE)ç]

your education learn you to cut inside quote posts ? to change the meaning of the origin post ?

Nope, follow any cultural tradition you want, and live your life how you want.

provided they are not violent and treat women equally

you know now ,how the women treats like goods in protitution , the clients pass in road ,and the women stand inside windows like slaves .


can you condemned this ?

 

[TashaN]

Since you don't deserve my attention, outhouse, i'll make one single post for those who are reading this thread, not you. I found the term which really describe what's going on in this thread. It's called "Historical Amnesia". Google it.

From: Overcoming Historical Amnesia: Muslim Contributions to Civilization*|*Craig Considine

Contributions to education

Malala's quest for universal education follows in Muslims' long and proud history in the field of education. Two Muslim women, Fatima and Miriam al-Firhi, created the world's first university, Al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco, in 859 AD. For several years, students were schooled here in a plethora of secular and religious subjects. At the end of their education, teachers evaluated students and awarded degrees based on satisfactory performances. The concept of awarding degrees would spread from Fez to Andalucía, Spain, and later to the Universities of Bologna in Italy and Oxford in England, among other places of learning.

Spanish Muslims of Andalucía were especially strong advocates of education and helped to dispel the gloom that had enveloped Europe during the Dark Ages. Between the 8th and 15th centuries, Andalucía was perhaps the world's epicenter for education and knowledge. Spanish universities such as those in Cordoba, Granada, and Seville, had Christian and Jewish students who learned science from Muslims. Women were also encouraged to study in Muslim Spain. This educational environment that stressed tolerance would not reach the "Western world" until the 19th and 20th centuries.

Kindly read the whole post in the link i have provided. You might also be interested in reading the following:

Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world - CNN.com

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5 Muslim Inventions That Changed The World | Lost Islamic History

 

[Smart_Guy]

An Egyptian muslim scientist appointed as one of the president's council of advisors on science and technology.

President Obama Announces Members of Science and Technology Advisory Council | The White House

Woah... I'm a pest compared to that guy!

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Since you don't deserve my attention, outhouse, i'll make one single post for those who are reading this thread, not you. I found the term which really describe what's going on in this thread. It's called "Historical Amnesia". Google it.

From: Overcoming Historical Amnesia: Muslim Contributions to Civilization*|*Craig Considine

Contributions to education

Malala's quest for universal education follows in Muslims' long and proud history in the field of education. Two Muslim women, Fatima and Miriam al-Firhi, created the world's first university, Al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco, in 859 AD. For several years, students were schooled here in a plethora of secular and religious subjects. At the end of their education, teachers evaluated students and awarded degrees based on satisfactory performances. The concept of awarding degrees would spread from Fez to Andalucía, Spain, and later to the Universities of Bologna in Italy and Oxford in England, among other places of learning.

Spanish Muslims of Andalucía were especially strong advocates of education and helped to dispel the gloom that had enveloped Europe during the Dark Ages. Between the 8th and 15th centuries, Andalucía was perhaps the world's epicenter for education and knowledge. Spanish universities such as those in Cordoba, Granada, and Seville, had Christian and Jewish students who learned science from Muslims. Women were also encouraged to study in Muslim Spain. This educational environment that stressed tolerance would not reach the "Western world" until the 19th and 20th centuries.

Kindly read the whole post in the link i have provided. You might also be interested to read the following:

Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world - CNN.com

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5 Muslim Inventions That Changed The World | Lost Islamic History

This is quite true. The Islamic world during its golden age has helped shape nearly everything about our current wold and mostly in a positive way. If they had not preserved many of Aristotle's works during the great era of collecting and translating information from around the world, it is possible we wouldn't have modern science.

It was China who invented paper but it was the Muslim inventors that learned to make it from linen and then spread it all the way to Spain during their brief control there. And then from Spain to the rest of Europe.

And somewhat the religion itself has some credit to be given from the government funding. I am not versed in the Quran so if someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it goes something like "The ink of scholars are holy-er than the blood of a martyr".

And the decline of the Golden age of Islam is linked to both the Crusades and then more importantly the invasion of the Mongols led by Genghis Khan that burned Baghdad to the ground.

However later there was shifts in the more recent history (19th century) where they began to reject more modern scientific notions such as Darwinism and Positivism as it conflicted with their own religious beliefs. So much in the same way as Christianity they are all for science till it goes against their beliefs.

Now there is a "western stench" on science and a new "Anti-western" movement has started (again around the 19th century) where it was even made illegal to learn other languages. So the anti-science portion of Islam has more to do with the fact that much of modern science does conflict with traditionally held Islamic beliefs and a culture war between them and the western world.

Now the Islamic world as a generalized whole has declined and now suffers from poor education and poverty. This with radicalism based groups taking control in many areas it seems that the religion is firmly set against the education of modern science to many people and in some cases against the education of many of their citizens at all (mainly women).

 

[beenie]

There has to be a few. But as a whole my statements are accurate are they not? I know mist muslims qualify.


To be muslims is to believe in muhammad talked to Gabriel. pretty hard to throw divinity out the window and be a muslim





Yes so are my family and all the muslism I know.




My point is that if the Koran states 1+1 = 76 it will not be argued, and you will not get many muslims to EVER admit the answer is 2 no matter how well you explain it, or evidence provided.


Have not seen any here including staff that will admit that their prophets are 100% mythology

outhouse, do you only have issues with Islamic prophets, or any faith's prophets? Just curious.

I know plenty of Muslims who argue about the meaning of particular verses in the Qur'an.

 

[icehorse]

I think Monk's summary is a bit on the rose-colored-glasses side of reality, but mostly no harm. But I'd counter a little bit:

- The Crusades were a tiny, tiny counter offensive compared to the Islamic conquests of the four centuries that proceeded them.

- I think that key Islamic Imams turned Islam away from education long before the 18th century.