Muslims the next Victums of Nazi Wrath

[apophenia]

That makes sense, but did you ever stop to think most of those Muslims living in the west are immigrating not to bring sharia law and Muslim extremism, but rather to get away from sharia law and Muslim extremism.

I talk to them about it sometimes. I live in a very multicultural suburb.They are very nervous about saying anything of course. For the reasons outlined above.

And I see you used the term 'muslim extremism' ! You are not a nazi though, I realise that - because I am not an idiot !

 

[Lyndon]

The point I am trying to make is there is no one side all good guys/all bad guys, no winners in war, in any war everyone is the loser. I'm not saying we can just roll over and let people run all over us, But sometimes it helps to look at the conflict from the other sides viewpoint:

We started the war against the most powerful Muslim country, we terrorised the most people, we killed the most innocent civilians, we encouraged the civil war between shiites and sunnis, and we supported the taliban to fight the russians and we supported the sunni extremists in Syria when we thought we could control them.

Now there is no end, either, to bad things the other side has done, but think about it, do we have any legitimate business invading their countries and telling how they have to live their life, any more than they have any right to invade our countries and tell us what to do. There is no possible way to win a war against over one billion people, not for the West, Not for the Muslims.

The only thing to do is call a truce, let Muslims decide how they want to run their governments, and let Western powers stop worrying about the rest of the world and start focusing on the incredible mess they have in their own countries.

I can only hope and pray!!

 

[apophenia]

The point I am trying to make is there are no side all good guys/all bad guys, no winners in war, in any war everyone is the loser. I'm not saying we can just roll over and let people run all over us, But sometimes it helps to look at the conflict from the other sides viewpoint:

We started the war against the most powerful Muslim country, we terrorised the most people, we killed the most innocent civilians, we encouraged the civil war between shiites and sunnis, and we supported the taliban to fight the russians and we supported the sunni extremists in Syria when we thought we could control them.

Now there is no end, either, to bad things the other side has done, but think about it, do we have any legitimate business invading their countries and telling how they have to live their life, any more than they have any right to invade our countries and tell us what to do. There is no possible way to win a war against over one billion people, not for the West, Not for the Muslims.

The only thing to do is call a truce, let Muslims decide how they want to run their governments, and let Western powers stop worrying about the rest of the world and start focusing on the incredible mess they have in their own countries.

I can only hope and pray!!

That's more reasonable.

Please note - my posts are in response to the #$^&-witted notion that anyone protesting the Islamisation of Europe is a nazi. That is the level of rhetoric I would expect from FOX news.

Basically, my approach is to find a way to encourage western muslims in the idea that they are now free to think clearly, and free to decide to renounce religion entirely if they so choose.

Some of the young ones are getting that.

Watch Iran - that is where the biggest cultural shift will take place, because the population is the youngest (on average) on earth.

 

[Frank Bunneh]

The only thing to do is call a truce, let Muslims decide how they want to run their governments, and let Western powers stop worrying about the rest of the world and start focusing on the incredible mess they have in their own countries.

Muslims are not the problem, radical extremist Muslims are and they don't seem to want a truce so what does one do? I agree, it would be great if we could all just "get along" but that does not address the reality that is staring everyone in the face right now.

 

[Flankerl]

This reminds us of the Anti-Jewish hatred in Germany in the 30's.
Very alarming!

Yes the Sturmabteilung was known for walking peacefully through cities and singing Christmas songs.

The Horror... we basically committed mass suicide and burned our Synagogues. The sheer thought of it makes me want to kill myself.


Also there already is a thread, can't both the united? I don't feel like repeating myself to the ridiculous stuff people write about this.

 

[Lyndon]

Radical extremists are the problem, be they Muslim, Jewish, Christian or other. Who better to fight radical extremists than the moderates of their own people and religions, and no its not our business to be supplying them with weapons, they can make their own. Who are we, enforcers of American Christian Sharia to go around the world and fight their extremists in their countries, sorry buddy but we Americans have a big problem with radical religious extremists right here in America, and some of them are in controlling positions in our government and military. We need to get our own house in order, and quit mucking around with the rest of the world.

 

[Estro Felino]

That makes sense, but did you ever stop to think most of those Muslims living in the west are immigrating not to bring sharia law and Muslim extremism, but rather to get away from sharia law and Muslim extremism.

wow...if they escaped from sharia, why are there sharia courts in the UK right now?

 

[Lyndon]

because they want their sharia AND their drugs and internet porn, seriously though sharia law is actually not so primitive for divorce and marriage as proscribed in the holy Koran, the bad part is about how men have twisted it around to take away the God given rights women were given in 650AD, Islam was the first abrahamic religion to allow women to divorce their husbands, and order husbands to support their divorced wives for some time after divorce, although the husband usually got custody of the children. I don't think all sharia law is bad or obsolete, at least not to devout Muslims, I haven't heard of Muslims proscribing sharia law for non muslims, unless perchance they married a muslim, no ones getting stoned to death or beheaded, or limbs amputated by sharia law in England. Now if the sharia court makes any decision that is against the law in England, absolutely that should be not allowed, but before you pass total judgement on sharia law perhaps you should read something more about it than what the Western press claims it is.

 

[apophenia]

Radical extremists are the problem, be they Muslim, Jewish, Christian or other. Who better to fight radical extremists than the moderates of their own people and religions, and no its not our business to be supplying them with weapons, they can make their own. Who are we, enforcers of American Christian Sharia to go around the world and fight their extremists in their countries, sorry buddy but we Americans have a big problem with radical religious extremists here in America, and some of them are in controlling positions in our government and military. We need to get our own house in order, and quit mucking around with the rest of the world.

Totally agree. I am Australian btw. Unfortunately the Pentagon has been covertly running this place since November 11 1975, and it is becoming one of the most draconian nanny-states on earth.

We even have a new law allowing our intelligence service to plant evidence on computers if they see fit. That is legal here ! And our PM is ramping up Islamophobia in an attempt to improve his re-election chances - he is doing a 'George Bush'.

Oops ... maybe I should shut up. Or tomorrow something shocking will be found on my laptop ! And if I were to be arrested for it, I could be imprisoned without trial, without any friends or family knowing what happened. And upon release (should I be released) I would be forbidden to ever mention it. It wouldn't leave any public judicial records.

This is totally serious. You think Guantanamo sucks ? At least you knew it was there ...although of course you know nothing about most of the 'extraordinary renditions', and a whole lot of other stuff.

And yes, Islamophobia is the sledgehammer being used to persuade the population that we need these laws.

Talk about being between a rock and a hard place ....

This is very subtle state terrorism.

Not entirely unlike how the Taliban work. They probably work for the corporations. Knowingly ? Of course not.

I just risked everything by saying that. Am I an idiot or what ? At least I'm not a totally gutless @-hole like the pillars of Australian society who get to be ambassadors to the US or whatever. I'm just a nobody. But still, some mofo-spook might not like my attitude ... and I can be absolutely and legally screwed.

My country (well, the black-fellas country, but no-one cares about that here ... worse than the US in that respect) is now just a strategic asset for your government.

So no, I don't think that ordinary muslims are 'the bad guys'. It is beyond nationality, race or religion. It's corporate. Planet Earth Inc.

The worst radical extremists here wear bespoke Armani suits and drive Maseratis. And pay no tax. Just like the US or Saudi Arabia.

 

[apophenia]

Well, that was a pointless suicide. Doesn't matter, I'm going to die soon anyway probably. But I did want to spend some time at the beach.

Wake up folks.

You are so easily manipulated.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Totally agree. I am Australian btw. Unfortunately the Pentagon has been covertly running this place since November 11 1975, and it is becoming one of the most draconian nanny-states on earth.

No matter the topic, there always seems to be room for inane comic relief.

 

[apophenia]

No matter the topic, there always seems to be room for inane comic relief.

Yeah, it's @#$%ing hilarious.

 

[apophenia]

No matter the topic, there always seems to be room for inane comic relief.

You think those laws are funny ?

Are you aware that this is actually true ?

If it isn't, I wonder why our Attorney General thinks it is.

 

[apophenia]

Jebus Mofo Charisma ! Now I'll have a Mossad file as well ! ROFLMAO

Oh, hang on ... you think the Nov 11 1975 stuff is conspiracy theory ? Sure. That's why the CIA guy who blew the whistle spent more than 10 years in solitary.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

wow...if they escaped from sharia, why are there sharia courts in the UK right now?

There are sharia courts because their religion requires them.
However they have no legal standing in the UK. Any decisions they make are "Voluntary" Though for Muslims unavoidable.

It would be interesting to see if any of the sharia decisions and determinations would tested and be found abusive in a UK court of justice.

 

[Lyndon]

Good post Apophenia, Nothing funny about the ways Australia's new right wing government is mucking everything up, here's a Prime Minister that thinks Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were the good guys, only worse, he's an imbecile, below average intelligence or at least no genius, he puts off recognising Australia's aborigines in the constitution till AFTER the next election, which God willing he will lose by a landslide. I was born in Sydney, only spent 6 years in Australia, but I follow the Australian Broadcasting Commission news website every day.

For any of you Americans getting your news from American sources who like to follow American and world news stories, you may want to check out the ABC in Australia, a slightly left of centre government funded media source.

Just In - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

About half the stories are Australian, 25% American, 25% rest of world, you'll be surprised at how differently the same American headlines are told from a more socialized Australian perspective. The BBC.com is also interesting to check out, but is strongly biased more to the American side of things.

 

[apophenia]

No matter the topic, there always seems to be room for inane comic relief.

Here buddy.
Check this out.

The Falcon Lands | Current Affairs | Dateline | SBS

It's an SBS documentary about Chris Boyce, the whistleblower in question.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think all sharia law is bad or obsolete, at least not to devout Muslims, I haven't heard of Muslims proscribing sharia law for non muslims,

It doesn't matter. It can be the best law in the world. The problem is that in our secular Europe the law must be equal for everyone. That's our value systems. Juridic particularism is medieval and backward.
It is very unjust to apply a kind of law only to one category of people.

It's like I invented a law by writing a civil code, and then I imposed the UK government to create civil courts that apply this law.

 

[apophenia]

Good post Apophenia, Nothing funny about the ways Australia's new right wing government is mucking everything up, here's a Prime Minister that thinks Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were the good guys, only worse, he's an imbecile, below average intelligence or at least no genius, he puts off recognising Australia's aborigines in the constitution till AFTER the next election, which God willing he will lose by a landslide. I was born in Sydney, only spent 6 years in Australia, but I follow the Australian Broadcasting Commission news website every day.

For any of you Americans getting your news from American sources who like to follow American and world news stories, The ABC in Australia, a slightly left of centre government funded media source. you may want to check this out;

SBS is good too. Watch that vid, if it isn't blocked where you are.

I was actually on the steps of Parliament House in Canberra at that fateful moment when Gough Whitlam emerged looking like someone had put a Rohypnol in his tea.

Coincidence eh ?

Pray for me if I suddenly stop posting soon. I must be one of the half dozen aussies actually paying attention

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jebus Mofo Charisma ! Now I'll have a Mossad file as well ! ROFLMAO

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