Muslims the next Victums of Nazi Wrath

[Sonofason]

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I realize there are good Muslims, you know, the one's that don't actually practice their religion. I only hope that they one day realize that what is making them good is that they are not indeed practicing their religion.

 

[Sonofason]

imagine that someone in the West take your hatefull speech seriouslly and start killing the innocents Muslims residents in your country , you will be happy ?

First of all, I don't believe in innocent people, let alone innocent Muslims. However, if someone were to take what I've said, and actually harm any person that has not done any harm to someone else, I'd be most sorrowful and ashamed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I realize there are good Muslims, you know, the one's that don't actually practice their religion. I only hope that they one day realize that what is making them good is that they are not indeed practicing their religion.

I suspect that you jest, but all religions I've seen have much ambiguity in interpretation. If anything, the evil practitioners appear to be the ones violating basic precepts in the Koran.

 

[Sonofason]

I suspect that you jest, but all religions I've seen have much ambiguity in interpretation. If anything, the evil practitioners appear to be the ones violating basic precepts in the Koran.

I suppose that is possible. I have not read the Quran through and through, and so it is possible that I have indeed taken verses out of context. But I have also heard what has been said by various converts from the Muslim faith who say exactly what I've said. So maybe, just maybe I'm not reading anything out of context at all.

 

[Revoltingest]

I suppose that is possible. I have not read the Quran through and through, and so it is possible that I have indeed taken verses out of context. But I have also heard what has been said by various converts from the Muslim faith who say exactly what I've said. So maybe, just maybe I'm not reading anything out of context at all.

I think that people read scripture based upon what they personally bring to it.

 

[Sonofason]

I think that people read scripture based upon what they personally bring to it.

That may very well be the case. So what exactly can be done about that?

 

[Revoltingest]

That may very well be the case. So what exactly can be done about that?

I doubt that anything can be done to change it.

 

[Sonofason]

I doubt that anything can be done to change it.

Perhaps I will attempt to read the Quran. I will have to forget everything I know about it's author of course, because knowing what I know about him has left me with a strong impression that nothing good is likely to have come out of him. But I will try, for the sake of "good Muslims" throughout the world, and to get a greater understanding of their beliefs.

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps I will attempt to read the Quran. I will have to forget everything I know about it's author of course, because knowing what I know about him has left me with a strong impression that nothing good is likely to have come out of him. But I will try, for the sake of "good Muslims" throughout the world, and to get a greater understanding of their beliefs.

I take the lazy man's way to understanding Islam, ie, I just listen to various Muslims about what they believe. And I expect only a superficial understanding.

 

[Sonofason]

I take the lazy man's way to understanding Islam, ie, I just listen to various Muslims about what they believe. And I expect only a superficial understanding.

I have to admit, I have not heard much about Islam directly from Muslims. Most of that which I've heard about Islam is from former Muslims, and of course, non-Muslims. So certainly my perspective must be biased.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have to admit, I have not heard much about Islam directly from Muslims. Most of that which I've heard about Islam is from former Muslims.

Then RF is a good place for you!

 

[Sonofason]

Then RF is a good place for you!

Obviously, there must be a DIR for Islam on RF. I'll have to go do a little surfing.

 

[apophenia]

That indeed is a very good question.

Godobeyer gave a good answer. We all need to stop and take a breath and work out who is the wolf in the henhouse.

 

[Sonofason]

Godobeyer gave a good answer. We all need to stop and take a breath and work out who is the wolf in the henhouse.

I didn't see Godobeyer's response to your question. But I sure did see his response to me, and it was indeed an excellent response.

 

[Debater Slayer]

or buy your generalize to all Muslims by their religion as threat ?

I think hatred of any broad group of people is deserving of condemnation and rejection, but when it comes to certain religious texts, I think they are definitely a threat not just to the "West" but to pretty much everyone who doesn't believe in them.

There's a difference between hating a large group of people and rejecting a set of ideas or beliefs. It's not necessarily a generalization for anyone to point out specific problems in any given religion's texts and explain why that person thinks they are a threat.

 

[Debater Slayer]

To share more thoughts on the OP, I think the rise of far-right-wing groups in pretty much any place is both dangerous and alarming. In a developed country like Germany, it is especially frightening to see that Nazism and right-wing bigotry are still alive and supported by so many people. At that point it doesn't merely become a matter of poverty or lack of education breeding extremism; it becomes a matter of unadulterated malice against particular groups of people.

 

[Revoltingest]

To share more thoughts on the OP, I think the rise of far-right-wing groups in pretty much any place is both dangerous and alarming. In a developed country like Germany, it is especially frightening to see that Nazism and right-wing bigotry are still alive and supported by so many people. At that point it doesn't merely become a matter of poverty or lack of education breeding extremism; it becomes a matter of unadulterated malice against particular groups of people.

Let's not forget that Hitler espoused "der echte Socialismus", so he had elements of both left & right politics (& attacked both). If we do see a rise in Nazis, I'd expect them to continue this path. Tis better to call'm "fascist", which more accurately covers the problem.

 

[Lyndon]

There are some very bad translation of the holy Koran translated by non muslims available at the book store, the best translation, at least most accurate is the King Fahd Saudi Arabia edition, but its written in King James English, so if you're not familiar with that it won't work, perhaps some of our Muslim contributors could recommend the best easier to read translation, or you could simply stop at a mosque and ask for a copy!

Its a huge book, probably somewhere between the size of the Old testament and the New Testament.

 

[Godobeyer]

I have to admit, I have not heard much about Islam directly from Muslims. Most of that which I've heard about Islam is from former Muslims, and of course, non-Muslims. So certainly my perspective must be biased.

Good that you let us know .

So you have to check the orginal source first "the Muslims", in Islam DIR for exemple.

and i am sure ALL your questions will be answered , by my Muslim friends whom had good English than me .

 

[Godobeyer]

I think hatred of any broad group of people is deserving of condemnation and rejection, but when it comes to certain religious texts, I think they are definitely a threat not just to the "West" but to pretty much everyone who doesn't believe in them.

There's a difference between hating a large group of people and rejecting a set of ideas or beliefs. It's not necessarily a generalization for anyone to point out specific problems in any given religion's texts and explain why that person thinks they are a threat.

I heard in TV a that some hadiths comes from Bokhari , which is against the teaching of Islam , so maybe they fake hadith or misinterpretation .


before few days ,I heard in other TV program about Talmud ,(Fareen TV) , a Egyptian female profesor specialist of Talmud said : the Talmud full of racist teaching . she recount some of it , i am not sure if she is correct or lieing .

so ,I think most of religions in the world had certain texts which is considere by others as bad teaching .