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My friend is a Born Again and keeps trying to convert me saying I have NO free will

Please advise.
A dear friend of mine was diagnosed with Muscular Dystrophy a few years ago (she walks with the help of a cane and is not wheel chair bound). Now she is Born Again. She has been trying desperately to convert me to her religion. I am of no one faith. I was never baptized and was raised in a NON religions household (I am 49). She is relentless and I fear she is not using her belief wisely. She has income from her disablity and she has a man that she has been seeing for three years help pay all of her bills as well. She has money to spend on fine clothes and go to estate sales every weekend to buy things that she says "i don't need but buy anyway". She also goes out to good restaurants weekly for dinner. What bothers me is that she takes advantage of the Food Banks for her groceries...when I know she also pays for a Sams club membership and buys LOTS of food from there as well.
She takes when she doesn't need...

Also she preaches to me when I go to visit her and when she comes to my house. She BEGGED me to come to her church on her birthday as it would mean alot to her..So I did. I went with NO inclination of joining but honored her requests and went as I knew it would make her happy. I sat through it all and she was so happy that I was there.
Now fast forward a couple of weeks. I am recovering from a major surgery and have been home for 4 weeks. My partner works out of town and I have been trying to get by on my own with many physical restrictions. NOT ONE word from my religious friend except for a text the day of my surgery stating "May you find healing in our Lord Jesus Christ"...For three weeks no checking to see how I was doing or if I needed anything. Then out of the blue she says she would like to come over and visit (three weeks after surgery). I say sure I would love to see you. She visits and during her visit gives me a "get well card" with some reference to some Psalm in the bible. I thank her for the card and ignore the reference to the Psalm thing. She made reference to it and then asked if I still had the copy of the new testament that she asked me to read. I said yes its on my bookshelf. She retrieved it and proceeded to then READ to me the passage she was referring to. This went on for about 20 minutes. Then she proceeds to tell me that BY GOING TO HER CHURCH I HAVE NOW ACCEPTED THE LORD JESUS INTO MY LIFE AND I NOW HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND THAT I AM A HEIRESS TO JESUS!!!!! I looked at her and was quite puzzled by that statement. I asked her how can that be? She said by being there I agreed to accept him into my life. I did no such thing. I did NOT accept any "communion" nor did I "drink any wine". I didn't bow my head and pray as I didn't feel comfortable in joining any prayer. I just sat there as a spectator.

HOW is this possible? I had to sit through her preaching about how I will now be able to go to heaven and so on.
This to me is NOT a good example of practicing what you preach. I think the only reason she came to visit was to tell me this crap.

Any ideas on this would be very helpful!!
 
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Jainarayan

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It's OK, imo, that she sends you well-wishes in her God's name. However, I would tell her "I appreciate your thoughts of me, and your consideration for me, but I do not share the same beliefs as you do. As friends I'm asking you to please respect my wishes to not try to sway me to your beliefs". If she persists in this, ignores your request to "cease and desist" and it is causing you distress, the only recourse is to end the friendship. Friends don't force friends to do anything.
 
She obviously has no idea what she is talking about.She has no real knowledge about the truth according to what you have stated.One must come to an accurate knowledge about Jesus and the Kingdom of God first.Once someone does that then they can take it further by devoting themselves to God and becoming baptized.This signals to others that you have a come to understand and want to serve God fully.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I've learned through the years that just because a person walks into your life it doesn't mean they are meant to stay in it forever. It's important to be gracious, kind and helpful but sometimes you need to walk away and not feel guilt that you aren't life long friends. I'm not implying this is the case with this friend but for your own piece of mind you might consider limiting your contact with her.

I agree with 4consideration that you need to set boundaries as she's being very pushy and her views about your salvation are just plain wrong. Makes me wonder if she's want to have a list of people she can "check off" as having to help "save"?
 
I've learned through the years that just because a person walks into your life it doesn't mean they are meant to stay in it forever. It's important to be gracious, kind and helpful but sometimes you need to walk away and not feel guilt that you aren't life long friends. I'm not implying this is the case with this friend but for your own piece of mind you might consider limiting your contact with her.

I agree with 4consideration that you need to set boundaries as she's being very pushy and her views about your salvation are just plain wrong. Makes me wonder if she's want to have a list of people she can "check off" as having to help "save"?

EXACTLY!! I asked her if her daughter supports her belief and she she stated no and she can't convince her to as she just doesn't want to believe...
Unbelievable..
 
I plan (on MY own free will) to write her an email requesting that she respect MY boundaries. Its so funny because she also lent me a book to read on exactly THAT..BOUNDARIES!!!
Its unfortunate that I feel I will not be hearing much from her after my request. I'm hoping that wont be the case as I wish to be there for her since she is disabled. But if its not meant to be than so be it..
 
yes as God's plan for me is great and that nothing happens unless God makes it happen.

Yeah,right there you can see that she has no accurate knowledge about the holy scriptures.Everyone has free will.We all make our own decisions.God gives you a choice.He did not create robots.That is why satan rebelled, and that is also why Adam and Eve disobeyed.If there was no free will they would have done everything that God commanded them to do.

There are some cases in the holy scriptures where God uses his vessels to carry out His will, like in the case of Cyrus, and King Nebuchadnezzar.God used them to destroy Kingdoms.But they all had free will even though God put it in their hearts to carry out some things.
 

4consideration

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It's OK, imo, that she sends you well-wishes in her God's name. However, I would tell her "I appreciate your thoughts of me, and your consideration for me, but I do not share the same beliefs as you do. As friends I'm asking you to please respect my wishes to not try to sway me to your beliefs". If she persists in this, ignores your request to "cease and desist" and it is causing you distress, the only recourse is to end the friendship. Friends don't force friends to do anything.
I think this is excellent.

If you really would like her to remain in your life, you might consider this approach, with an assumption that she's just overly excited about something she believes in, is motivated by love, but hasn't yet figured out that when one tries to shove something down the throat of another person, the natural response is to regurgitate, and reject it.
yes as God's plan for me is great and that nothing happens unless God makes it happen.
Cool. You could tell her, "Great. You're off the hook then. My relationship with God is between me and God, and I'd like you to stay out of it."
 
I plan (on MY own free will) to write her an email requesting that she respect MY boundaries. Its so funny because she also lent me a book to read on exactly THAT..BOUNDARIES!!!
Its unfortunate that I feel I will not be hearing much from her after my request. I'm hoping that wont be the case as I wish to be there for her since she is disabled. But if its not meant to be than so be it..


When you do write to her you should mention to her that it is not good for her to take what she does not need.You mentioned that she takes food from that place and she has a Sam's card.Yes,there are others who are less fortunate then she is who could really use that food.Maybe you can open up her eyes.
 

Buttercup

Veteran Member
I plan (on MY own free will) to write her an email requesting that she respect MY boundaries. Its so funny because she also lent me a book to read on exactly THAT..BOUNDARIES!!!
Its unfortunate that I feel I will not be hearing much from her after my request. I'm hoping that wont be the case as I wish to be there for her since she is disabled. But if its not meant to be than so be it..
I would explain that you want to stay friends but it's not fair to you for her to be so pushy about her religious beliefs as that's a very personal decision. She's had her say, you know where she stands and she needs to let it go.

My mom, who is the sweetest woman in the world, has a very good friend who's a Jehovah's Witness. This friend tried hard to convert her in the beginning of their friendship and my mom finally got up the nerve to say "no thank you" although it took several tries before it sunk in. They were able to work through this awkward time and remain great friends. Religion seldom comes up now. I hope that happens for you!
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
yes as God's plan for me is great and that nothing happens unless God makes it happen.

Whenever I used to be a Christian, our church came from a very Calvinistic background as well. (no free will, belief in predestination, etc.) I've never really understood it either. If God supposedly has already determined your fate, then why even bother to evangelize?
 
Honestly she has me so turned off about religion. I don't understand any of it now and had an open mind about it at first...Now I don't. None of it makes any sense to me and the fact that she has told me also "church is for sinners" even confuses me even more. I conveyed some very personal information about a decision I made many years ago and now I am a sinner...uggghhhhh
 
When you do write to her you should mention to her that it is not good for her to take what she does not need.You mentioned that she takes food from that place and she has a Sam's card.Yes,there are others who are less fortunate then she is who could really use that food.Maybe you can open up her eyes.

I agree...this absolutely amazes me that she continues to do this. Its truly disappointing.
 
Honestly she has me so turned off about religion. I don't understand any of it now and had an open mind about it at first...Now I don't. None of it makes any sense to me and the fact that she has told me also "church is for sinners" even confuses me even more. I conveyed some very personal information about a decision I made many years ago and now I am a sinner...uggghhhhh


You should never let a person turn you from learning about God.Just because someone says something you do not agree with is no reason to stop completely.Those are just words from a person with no accurate knowledge.If you truly are seeking, then you should ask questions.You need to speak to people who actually read and study the holy scriptures.Not those who go to church on sunday and force you to do things.If you pray to God and ask Him to help you understand,He will.You have to earnestly seek Him,wholeheartedly.That is what it says in the holy scriptures.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
No offense to the OP, but this person doesn't strike me as a particularly good friend...
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
A few weeks ago I announced an upcoming surgery. My Christian friends came out of the woodwork to announce all the prayers they were saying for me. Two weeks ago I announced my wife would be out of town for the weekend and I would be home. The day after she came home I asked all the friends who were praying for me to stop because when I was home alone no one called or came over. They all said they didn't know my wife was gone. I said ok but stop praying for me anyhow. They got mad, why? I guess they cant bragg on FB that they are praying for me any more. Now they don't even ask about up coming surgery. Some good intentions just aren't needed sometimes.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
No free will, that is laughable. Ask the new born how doing gods will is doing ones individual free will. Freedom is the left hand path, lol.
 
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