My GOD will MURDER and DESTROY you! Care to convert? (for your own safety, of course)

[Spice]

True religion, the religion of God as brought to us by the Prophets is always about love and brotherhood and against hate and bloodshed.

However, throughout the ages, ambitious and self seeking leaders have twisted and used fear to control their followers, instilling in them hate and contempt for non believers. That is not religion. This is why religion is renewed from age to age because everything in this world is temporary including religion which goes through stages like a human being : birth, childhood, youth, maturity, old age then death.

Most of what you see today is the death of religions that were a solution for past ages but spiritually dead in this age and were never meant for it.

John 4:23,24
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

 

[idea]

John 4:23,24
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

This is another big ploy, the big sell - Christians don't have to do anything, don't need to actually feed the poor, don't need to pick up trash, don't need to report pedophiles in their church, don't need to let refugees stay in their home.

Just preach, and pray - that is all that is needed...

Don't actually do anything, just preach the "truth" and pray "in spirit" for everyone - that's all that really needs to be done. Sit in privilege, look down on all, say a prayer, and preach... of such is the "kingdom" of heeeaven.

Don't lift a finger *God* will fix it all, just sit back and preach and know *you are blessed* and saved. lovely Christian ego bubble.

 

[ChristineM]

Christians don't have to do anything, don't need to actually feed the poor, don't need to pick up trash, don't need to report pedophiles in their church, don't need to let refugees stay in their home.

Just preach, and pray - that is all that is needed...

This explains so much of what ive observed

 

[idea]

This explains so much of what ive observed

Don't worry, I'll *pray* for you.

hahaha

 

[ChristineM]

Don't worry, I'll *pray* for you.

hahaha

Please don't waste your time, i beg of you, please don't...;-)

 

[Spice]

This is another big ploy, the big sell - Christians don't have to do anything, don't need to actually feed the poor, don't need to pick up trash, don't need to report pedophiles in their church, don't need to let refugees stay in their home.

Just preach, and pray - that is all that is needed...

Don't actually do anything, just preach the "truth" and pray "in spirit" for everyone - that's all that really needs to be done. Sit in privilege, look down on all, say a prayer, and preach... of such is the "kingdom" of heeeaven.

Don't lift a finger *God* will fix it all, just sit back and preach and know *you are blessed* and saved. lovely Christian ego bubble.

I was responding to: "Most of what you see today is the death of religions that were a solution for past ages but spiritually dead in this age and were never meant for it."

You've made unfounded assumptions, somehow. Nothing about worshipping in spirit and truth negates living love for all.

Tolerance doesn't care. Tolerance just looks the
other way and goes about its own business
Tolerance is Indifferent

Caring is blind--the kind of caring that cares for
everybody, no matter who they are, but doesn't allow
them to step outside the path your caring believes to
be good for them. Caring can suffocate

And then there is deep love. Deep love recognizes
another person's right to grow, their need to travel
along a path and get there on their own--and yet has
the compassion to be there for them when they are
lost.

Deep love has room for a thousand private journeys
~Rabbi Tzvi Freeman

 

[idea]

I was responding to: "Most of what you see today is the death of religions that were a solution for past ages but spiritually dead in this age and were never meant for it."

You've made unfounded assumptions, somehow. Nothing about worshipping in spirit and truth negates living love for all.

Tolerance doesn't care. Tolerance just looks the
other way and goes about its own business
Tolerance is Indifferent

Caring is blind--the kind of caring that cares for
everybody, no matter who they are, but doesn't allow
them to step outside the path your caring believes to
be good for them. Caring can suffocate

And then there is deep love. Deep love recognizes
another person's right to grow, their need to travel
along a path and get there on their own--and yet has
the compassion to be there for them when they are
lost.

Deep love has room for a thousand private journeys
~Rabbi Tzvi Freeman

Religious death is similar to the death of fax machines, death of CD's and DVD's, the death of landline phones and typewriters. We know more now, have better ways of helping and fixing than superstitious prayers and and hand waving.

 

[Balthazzar]

This is another big ploy, the big sell - Christians don't have to do anything, don't need to actually feed the poor, don't need to pick up trash, don't need to report pedophiles in their church, don't need to let refugees stay in their home.

Just preach, and pray - that is all that is needed...

Don't actually do anything, just preach the "truth" and pray "in spirit" for everyone - that's all that really needs to be done. Sit in privilege, look down on all, say a prayer, and preach... of such is the "kingdom" of heeeaven.

Don't lift a finger *God* will fix it all, just sit back and preach and know *you are blessed* and saved. lovely Christian ego bubble.

Christians don't have to do anything, except for preach and pray, believe and have faith and know the blessing and gift of God. Hebrews 4 - Hebrews 12

I even wrote a song about it.


“Still the Life For Me”


They never said it would be easy.
I was taught contrary to that way ...
A life of trial and tribulation awaited me
with principalities to be set against.

I knew the life to be walked into
when asked if I had counted the cost.
Into a death I sank beneath the water
to rise again from the grave.

They never said it would be easy
and I never said I wasn't free
They never said they never struggled
and I wonder what's to become of me.

It's only by grace, I hear
It's only by faith, I hear
It's only by love, I hear
They tell me not to fear (but it ain't easy).

I've been barely hanging on,
but I'll keep moving on.
Sometimes I'm feeling strong,
and sometimes I feel alone.

I sometimes wonder if Gods still with me.
I sometimes wonder what's yet to be.
I sometimes wonder if I'll make it through
and the truth is I don't know.

So, It's only by grace, I fear
It's only by faith, I fear
It's only by love, I hear
and it ain't easy.

Life keeps a grip on me
through the trial and suffering.
My doubts could be the end of me,
but I'll keep moving on.

I've been living hard but strong.
I've been feeling that its been too long,
and it dawns on me
that I'm learning to be a better man.

There's much that works against me.
Life has never been easy,
and they say it's getting worse,
so I wonder ...

It's only by grace, I hear
It's only by faith, I fear
It's only through love, I hear
for a narrow save by grace.

Comfort given through faith (I fear)
Honor in truth I'm told
But love wanes in many my peer
and life hasn't been easy.

It's not the life I chose for me.
But it's still the one I chose.
It's not the life I wanted
but it may be the one I need …


but it ain't easy.



I wrote one for "her" too.


Breaking Eden

I guess maybe I've fallen
Yes, baby I've fallen
My hearts been breaking

I guess maybe I'm calling
Yes, baby I'm calling
Yeah, my hearts been breaking

I can't take anymore
I can't break anymore
My whole worlds on fire

and I keep breathing in
and I keep breathing out
and I can't take the way you break me.

I'm not standing on my own
I feel alone
and
I can't take anymore
I can't break anymore
My whole world's on fire

So, baby I'm calling
I guess maybe I'm calling
because my hearts been breaking...

I can't take anymore.

 

[servant1]

My version is truth as i see it from actually reading thr bible and being threatened and attacked by ignorance and the childish stupidity of belief in an abramic god.
You condone and love the story of a jealous genocidal manic based on bronze age stories. You are welcome to your beliefs but do not give other people ****, doom and gloom because they think your god belief is nothing more than mind games.

And once gain you have not supplied any hard evidence for your claims

I used to be angry at God in my darkness and lack of knowledge. But he showed me truth.

 

[ppp]

I used to be angry at God in my darkness and lack of knowledge. But he showed me truth.

What does your prior emotional state have to do with what @ChristineM said. She is not angry at your god. She is evaluating your characterization.

 

[InChrist]

The annoying thing is not the "Almighty Being" (in which @an anarchist doesn't believe), it's the threats spewed by the believers. A fly swatter may not work on those, but a 2 by 4 or a garden hose may.

Yes, I re-read his OP and I think you’re right; it’s the threats he is referring to. Although, I don’t think he comes across as believing in an all-powerful Creator from this thread and others. I could be wrong.
I don’t think threats are the right way to be shared God’s love or who God is with others, but neither do I think it’s wise to mock God.

 

[ppp]

but neither do I think it’s wise to mock God.

How is that not, in and of itself, a threat?

 

[InChrist]

How is that not, in and of itself, a threat?

I guess I don’t see it as a threat, rather more of simple reality, maybe a warning given out of love.

 

[ppp]

I guess I don’t see it as a threat, rather more of simple reality, maybe a warning given out of love.

What you are warning about is the the intent to cause harm by a thinking, intelligent being capable of reflecting on their own actions. That is a threat.

 

[InChrist]

What you are warning about is the the intent to cause harm by a thinking, intelligent being capable of reflecting on their own actions. That is a threat.

I’m not warning about anything. The Bible gives warnings and Jesus gave more warnings about one’s eternal destiny than anyone. I’m just saying those warnings are given out of love; like warning your child not to walk out into a busy street, touch a hot stove burner, or use fentanyl.

 

[servant1]

What does your prior emotional state have to do with what @ChristineM said. She is not angry at your god. She is evaluating your characterization.

Calling God a genocidal maniac makes that one angry at him. That has 0 to do with my characterization. I have met many like you. If i say the sky is blue you will say, no its green, prove its blue. The bible says the wicked demand proof.

 

[ppp]

I’m just saying those warnings are given out of love; like warning your child not to walk out into a busy street, touch a hot stove burner, or use fentanyl.

A hot stove burners is a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions. A dose of fentanyl is a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions.
Do you think that God a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions?

No. You do not.

What you might have said is, I’m just saying those warnings are given out of love; like warning your child not to walk out into a busy street, touch a hot stove burner, or use fentanyl. talk back to their father less they taste the back-side of his fist.

When you make an analogy to God, do not compare God to dumb objects. It's disrespectful.

 

[Spice]

I’m not warning about anything. The Bible gives warnings and Jesus gave more warnings about one’s eternal destiny than anyone. I’m just saying those warnings are given out of love; like warning your child not to walk out into a busy street, touch a hot stove burner, or use fentanyl.

But I think the rub comes in with when and where this "warning out of love" comes in, as well as the implication behind it. ie. Would you scream "don't touch that hot stove" at your child while they're wading in the ripples at the beach?
That's totally inappropriate. Would you firmly, but calmly say "Don't touch that hot stove" when your child leaves the livingroom where the family is sitting? Maybe they're going to the bathroom. So also inappropriate.

So you see, people don't want to hear warnings about the wrath of God if they don't believe, or maybe they do, but they know they're not in danger. Both are inappropriate.

 

[ppp]

Calling God a genocidal maniac makes that one angry at him.

Thanos committed genocide in Infinity War. Sauron committed genocide in Lord of the Rings. The Daleks committed genocide multiple times in Doctor Who. I would call them all genocidal maniacs. And yet, I am not angry at any of them. I doubt @ChristineM is either.

 

[InChrist]

A hot stove burners is a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions. A dose of fentanyl is a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions.
Do you think that God a dumb object with no ability to think or self-reflect on its own actions?

No. You do not.

What you might have said is, I’m just saying those warnings are given out of love; like warning your child not to walk out into a busy street, touch a hot stove burner, or use fentanyl. talk back to their father less they taste the back-side of his fist.

When you make an analogy to God, do not compare God to dumb objects. It's disrespectful.

I’m not comparing God to objects. I’m using analogies of dangerous “situations”. I believe the warnings in the Bible are provided to warn humans of danger and believe it’s best to heed.