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My GOD will MURDER and DESTROY you! Care to convert? (for your own safety, of course)

servant1

Active Member
Every other sect has the same view, and they think their sect is the correct one.

So which bible do you use?

Remembering that there are no copies of the original bible for you to compare with.

Each version is different from every other version. So how do you know what you practice is what Jesus wanted people to practice?
I have attended different trinity based religions. They teach little of the bible to the flock- 1 hour per week does not cut it. We go 2 x a week. 1 hr and 45 minutes per meeting. And are taught to read Gods word daily and meditate on it.
We use the new world translation. Out of love and respect for Gods will, put his name back on the over 7000 places he willed it to be.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I have attended different trinity based religions. They teach little of the bible to the flock- 1 hour per week does not cut it. We go 2 x a week. 1 hr and 45 minutes per meeting. And are taught to read Gods word daily and meditate on it.
We use the new world translation. Out of love and respect for Gods will, put his name back on the over 7000 places he willed it to be.

And that makes no difference whatsoever to any on the other sects who think their particular interpretation of their particular choice of bible is the correct interpretation.

Hmm, the NWT, not the most accurate translation and considerably biased in favour of JW theological leanings rather than accuracy
 

servant1

Active Member
And that makes no difference whatsoever to any on the other sects who think their particular interpretation of their particular choice of bible is the correct interpretation.

Hmm, the NWT, not the most accurate translation and considerably biased in favour of JW theological leanings rather than accuracy
Actually it fixed translating. All other translating came from Catholicism translating. Their actions proved 100% Jesus was never with them, thus satan was.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Actually it fixed translating. All other translating came from Catholicism translating. Their actions proved 100% Jesus was never with them, thus satan was.
Greek scholars say it's an amateurish translation, but if it "speaks" with God's love for mankind, all's good. Depending on how much "faith" you put in man's written word, there's always plenty of translations to review. Personally I find solace in making comparisons. I especially enjoy using my copy of The Amplified Bible.

Here's a couple of quick references for example:
Genesis 1:1-2
NASB: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
NWT: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.
AMP: In the beginning God (Elohim) created [by forming from nothing] the heavens and the Earth. (Hew 11:3)
The Earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was a fun face of the deep [primeval ocean that covered the unformed Earth]. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.


John 1:1
(NASB), “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NWT: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
AMP: In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; US 9:6]


Plus, The Amplified Bible has a great many footnotes at the bottom of the page on these exampled passages, as with most.

Although I do not agree with all that is spoken in these passages, I do find the various takes on the originals of great benefit in personal study and reflection.
 

servant1

Active Member
Greek scholars say it's an amateurish translation, but if it "speaks" with God's love for mankind, all's good. Depending on how much "faith" you put in man's written word, there's always plenty of translations to review. Personally I find solace in making comparisons. I especially enjoy using my copy of The Amplified Bible.

Here's a couple of quick references for example:
Genesis 1:1-2
NASB: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
NWT: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.
AMP: In the beginning God (Elohim) created [by forming from nothing] the heavens and the Earth. (Hew 11:3)
The Earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was a fun face of the deep [primeval ocean that covered the unformed Earth]. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.


John 1:1
(NASB), “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NWT: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
AMP: In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; US 9:6]


Plus, The Amplified Bible has a great many footnotes at the bottom of the page on these exampled passages, as with most.

Although I do not agree with all that is spoken in these passages, I do find the various takes on the originals of great benefit in personal study and reflection.
At minimum 20 translations in history had a god at John 1:1 by Greek scholars. 3 Had was divine, i had was godlike. Even the trinity scholars know 100% that the Word is not called capitol G God at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons. The Word is called the same exact Greek word( Theos) satan is called at 2 Cor 4:4, while at both spots the true God is called a different Greek word( Theon)-WHY? God and god is why. god means-has godlike qualities. But throughout the NT when the true God is the only one being called God-Theos was used. Because all know God is being spoken of. But when 2 in the same paragraph are being called God or god is why the difference. If the Word were God he would have been called Theon as the true God was. This is fact.
Catholicisms own encyclopedia says--That in most instances in the bible the holy spirit is not spoken of as being a living being.)))
The holy spirit has 0 equality with the Father or the son in the bible.

What you reference is bias Greek scholars.
Abner Kneeland-1822 NT translation, an unbias Greek scholar--He compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world a god was 100% correct to the Word.
 
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Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
At minimum 20 translations in history had a god at John 1:1 by Greek scholars. 3 Had was divine, i had was godlike. Even the trinity scholars know 100% that the Word is not called capitol G God at John 1:1 in the Greek lexicons. The Word is called the same exact Greek word( Theos) satan is called at 2 Cor 4:4, while at both spots the true God is called a different Greek word( Theon)-WHY? God and god is why. god means-has godlike qualities. But throughout the NT when the true God is the only one being called God-Theos was used. Because all know God is being spoken of. But when 2 in the same paragraph are being called God or god is why the difference. If the Word were God he would have been called Theon as the true God was. This is fact.
Catholicisms own encyclopedia says--That in most instances in the bible the holy spirit is not spoken of as being a living being.)))
The holy spirit has 0 equality with the Father or the son in the bible.

What you reference is bias Greek scholars.
Abner Kneeland-1822 NT translation, an unbias Greek scholar--He compared Greek to English side by side in his NT translation to prove to the world a god was 100% correct to the Word.
And as I stated, I don't necessarily believe any particular translation. I use my free will to contemplate all and accept the Spirit -- even if change comes with growth. I'm extremely careful of "dogma" and "doctrines."

I don't dis any belief/faith that has kindness and love at its forefront. However, a thought for you as I placed it before a JW friend of mine that unfortunately broke the tender, young friendship. Just a thought, a rhetorical question to ponder -- that's all.......

If you find yourself standing before God without your Bible, without an internet connection to jw.org, without your Brothers and Sisters to turn to, will you be able to answer "anything" asked of you? Is your faith "personal" and deeply instilled in your heart so that you'll not need the material world to hold it together?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Actually it fixed translating. All other translating came from Catholicism translating. Their actions proved 100% Jesus was never with them, thus satan was.

Nonsense , translation of NWT is as suspect now as it ever was. But you are welcome to your beliefs.

The Vulgate (catholic) bible was, as far as i know the second bible ever written and so probably less distorted from the original bible than any other.

The KJV was distilled from 6 different bibles by 40+ bible scholars, King James himself was protestant
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
My GOD will MURDER MAIM DESTROY HURT TORTURE (and) BURN you FOREVER (if you don’t convert)! Care to convert? It’s the only way you’ll be okay.

It’s a heck of a pick up line. This past week it’s been tried a couple times on me here at RF, albeit less dramatically. It didn’t work though, surprisingly enough.

I think I’ll be alright. I put enough hours in as a Christian, so if the big fella is real after all he just gotta look at my childhood when I was a groupie for him. But hell and a vengeful Jehovah ain’t real. And even if they are real, I don’t believe it so your threats are akin to a fly buzzing annoyingly around me.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Stop threatening people with hell and god’s wrath. It’s a huge turn off. Please.
I believe that is a shame that I probably won't miss you.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I find that it's Christian love

It pops into my head ironically. It's in the same vein as the saying "there's no hate like Christian love."

I agree with you both. Perhaps they are following the biblical God's example after all. He is portrayed as a loving and merciful heavenly father, but I think of him as being far worse than an abusive parent. Speaking as a former Christian, I think that he is the perfect example of a narcissistic and abusive father who only expresses his warped sense of love to his children whenever they do or say precisely what he wants them to do or say. His frightened children think that if they don't provoke him, then he won't hurt them, but they're not entirely sure because of his violent temper and lashes out when he becomes angry. Therefore, disobeying and upsetting him will result in punishment and hell to pay. It isn't a healthy relationship built on unconditional love, trust, and respect, but rather a toxic one based on fear and mistrust. Personally, I'm grateful that I'm no longer ensnared by Christianity. I'm glad to be free of it.
 

Spice

StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
The biblical God is portrayed as a loving and merciful heavenly father, but I think of him as being far worse than an abusive parent. Speaking as a former Christian, I think that he is the perfect example of a narcissistic and abusive father who only expresses his warped sense of love to his children whenever they do or say precisely what he wants them to do or say. His frightened children think that if they don't provoke him, then he won't hurt them, but they're not entirely sure because of his violent temper and tendency to lash out when he becomes angry. Therefore, disobeying and upsetting him will result in punishment and hell to pay. It isn't a healthy relationship built on unconditional love, trust, and respect, but rather a toxic one based on fear and mistrust.
Unfortunately this is true if you believe the Bible is indeed the word of God. However, if you take the Bible as a documentary of how a particular group of people viewed God in their time and look at where we, mankind, has progressed or digressed, it makes for appreciative reading.
 

servant1

Active Member
Greek scholars say it's an amateurish translation, but if it "speaks" with God's love for mankind, all's good. Depending on how much "faith" you put in man's written word, there's always plenty of translations to review. Personally I find solace in making comparisons. I especially enjoy using my copy of The Amplified Bible.

Here's a couple of quick references for example:
Genesis 1:1-2
NASB: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.”
NWT: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.
AMP: In the beginning God (Elohim) created [by forming from nothing] the heavens and the Earth. (Hew 11:3)
The Earth was formless and void or a waste and emptiness, and darkness was a fun face of the deep [primeval ocean that covered the unformed Earth]. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.


John 1:1
(NASB), “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NWT: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
AMP: In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; US 9:6]


Plus, The Amplified Bible has a great many footnotes at the bottom of the page on these exampled passages, as with most.

Although I do not agree with all that is spoken in these passages, I do find the various takes on the originals of great benefit in personal study and reflection.
When you see the wording in the Greek lexicons one finds facts= There are 2 spots in NT where more than 1 being is called God or god= John 1:1, 2 Cor 4:4. At both spots the true God is called Theon= God, Both others the Word and satan are called Theos= god when in the same paragraph with Theon. Its why there is a difference. There is no Greek to English rule that makes Theos-God for one and god for another in the same paragraph with Theon. Its error in most translations-god means has godlike qualities. The supposed bible scholars know its fact, they refuse to say anything. Why you ask? Because all those religions using God to the Word would be proved false. They would lose the billions of dollars they get tax free year after year, not to mention 2 billion humans suing them for taking their money when they do know its fact.
Thus is the unfortunate reality of the situation. Bias Greek scholars condemn the nwt. Yet they were the only translators to put Gods name back where God willed it to be in over 7000 places. Catholicism removed Gods name against Gods will by satans will. Whose will does your religion support on the matter of Gods name? Especially in light of the Lords prayer where Jesus shows all involved that his Fathers name is the most important #1 issue for all involved.
 

servant1

Active Member
And as I stated, I don't necessarily believe any particular translation. I use my free will to contemplate all and accept the Spirit -- even if change comes with growth. I'm extremely careful of "dogma" and "doctrines."

I don't dis any belief/faith that has kindness and love at its forefront. However, a thought for you as I placed it before a JW friend of mine that unfortunately broke the tender, young friendship. Just a thought, a rhetorical question to ponder -- that's all.......

If you find yourself standing before God without your Bible, without an internet connection to jw.org, without your Brothers and Sisters to turn to, will you be able to answer "anything" asked of you? Is your faith "personal" and deeply instilled in your heart so that you'll not need the material world to hold it together?
I know many things concerning the bible, religions, history of God worship, false religions. We are trained in the whole bible, year after year it never stops.
 

servant1

Active Member
Nonsense , translation of NWT is as suspect now as it ever was. But you are welcome to your beliefs.

The Vulgate (catholic) bible was, as far as i know the second bible ever written and so probably less distorted from the original bible than any other.

The KJV was distilled from 6 different bibles by 40+ bible scholars, King James himself was protestant
Yet they cannot get by the fact that in the Greek lexicons the Word is not called God at John 1:1, he is called god= has godlike qualities.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Unfortunately this is true if you believe the Bible is indeed the word of God. However, if you take the Bible as a documentary of how a particular group of people viewed God in their time and look at where we, mankind, has progressed or digressed, it makes for appreciative reading.

Sorry, but I don't appreciate the biblical commandment to execute witches or seize infants and dashing them against the rocks, or God ordering the total annihilation of the entire populace of enemy nations of Israel, which included men, women, children, infants, and even all of their animals. I particularly dislike the scriptures about how humanity was condemned and punished for alleged "sins" against God, as well as idle threats of God's wrath and eternal damnation for alleged sins against God. Finally, I don't appreciate all the stories of violence and atrocities that I've read in the Bible, perpetrated by a God who is said to be loving, merciful, and just. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I don't think anyone should derive their sense of morality from the Bible.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Yet they cannot get by the fact that in the Greek lexicons the Word is not called God at John 1:1, he is called god= has godlike qualities.

The word god is derived from a 6th century German word "gudan" so no bible that uses the word god is true to the original. And John 1:1 is obviously mistranslated after after the 500s ad
 
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