My journey back to atheism

[Muffled]

When I first joined this forum, I was way much more open to deism. But over the last few years and especially since the events of January 6th, I've become much more critical of all forms of superstition and delusional belief systems. When I was in my twenties I participated in the Usenet forum Christianity vs Atheism. At first, I argued the pro-atheist's position. Then, just for fun and because it was so challenging, I started arguing the deist position in the debate. And then something funny happened. I started to believe my own arguments for deism! So for many years I pretty much believed in God. But not now. God is just a word for me and its meaning only exists in our imaginations. Science is real. Facts are real. Everything else is imaginary delusion. It seems I've returned back to my atheistic roots of my childhood!

My other problem with religion is the way Christianity and politics have been combined in the GOP. The D students in the back of the class continue to think they are smarter than everyone else. The GOP rank and file want their STRONG daddy figure so they can worship him as if the person is God on Earth. It's almost like a cult. It's like the GOP authoritarians have been indoctrinated with a religion based on monarchy which advocates a single authority at the top with a bunch of obedient slaves at the bottom. With Trump, the GOP seems to want to return to a King James type government. King James believed in the divine rights of kings and wrote about it in his book "True Law of Free Monarchies." The divine right of kings claims: "In European Christianity, the divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandation is a political and religious doctrine of political legitimacy of a monarchy. It stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which a monarch is, before birth, pre-ordained to inherit the crown. According to this theory of political legitimacy, the subjects of the crown have actively (and not merely passively) turned over the metaphysical selection of the king's soul – which will inhabit the body and rule them – to God. In this way, the "divine right" originates as a metaphysical act of humility and/or submission towards God. " The GOP doesn't believe in the rule-of-law, equality, no one is above or below the law, voting, democracy, and a fellowship of equal voters. The GOP wants STRONG leadership above every other consideration!

I just cannot accept the nature of modern day Christianity. I cannot accept the way the GOP puts STRONG leadership before the rule-of-law, equality, no one is above or below the law, voting, democracy, the fellowship that comes from considering everyone as being equals, and women's rights. I'm done with Christianity. I just can't stand it.

And even further, years ago I read Friedrich Nietzsche's criticisms of Christianity which really persuaded me against Christianity. Friedrich Nietzsche said Christianity was born in response to Roman oppression. It took hold in the minds of timid slaves who did not have the courage or strength to get hold of what they really wanted. The slaves could not admit to their own failings. So they clung to a philosophy that made a virtue of cowardice. Everything the Christians wanted and wished they had in their lives for fulfilment was what was considered to be a sin. A position in the world, prestige, sex, intellectual mastery, wealth were too difficult or beyond their reach. The Christian slaves created a hypocritical creed denouncing what they wanted but were too weak to fight for to get while praising what they did not want but did have as being worth having. So in the Christian value system sexlessness turned into 'purity', weakness became "goodness," submission to authority became "obedience," and in Nietzsche's words, "not-being-able-take-revenge" turned into "forgiveness." The Bible is a worthless religion for sadomasochistic slaves. I simply refuse to be an obedient slave to any person or any belief system.

I still like Taoism and the Unity of Opposites. But as I said, after the events of January 6th, I just can't pretend the weak minded cultists are benign and meaningless any longer. I'm probably leaning back towards a strong minded pro-atheist position. Plus, arguing atheism is so much easier to argue than deism. Atheism is way more intellectually pleasing, logical, and consistent as a belief system. When you have the absence of belief, there's nothing left to argue about!

I believe I am proof there is a God and thousands more like me.

 

[Muffled]

Wow, OK.

You first seem to conflate Christianity with nearly all religion.

You for some reason bring US politics into this.

Neither of these have anything to do with Deism or even Atheism.

I believe a person who does not believe in God could never be a Christian other than in name.

 

[Muffled]

Great post. Sadly, these folks want a life dictated by Yahweh and laws, not Jesus and grace. Jesus wanted the last to be first and the first last. Think of others before yourself. These folks are selfishly putting their desires first and screw the rest of us. Jesus did not want a societal hierarchy. They are turning a lot of people off to that religion and political view. They will reap what they sew.

I just finished a book on Deism and liked it. Still not sure if the Deist or Pantheist view is right for me, but I am done stressing over it. I spent too long trying to fit into a certain religion, but I am done. I totally get your post. I hope there is a light at the end of this tunnel.

I believe it is not a matter of fitting into a religion but of fitting into the will of God.

 

[Dogknox20]

Josephus is not considered a reliable historical source since he often just repeated stories without verification of them being true. This is one reason why Jesus is not known to be a historical figure, the lack of contemporary reports or evidence.

Even if a Jesus did exist that would not mean the fantastic and implausible stories about him are true. Embellishment was common in that era.


I don't lack belief. I believe in many things. I am not willing to believe in ideas that lack evidence or are implausible. I am a skeptic. I certainly see no evidence of any sort of supernatural existing. Theists can't provide any, so I'm not convinced.


Yes, I have examined and studied the nature of belief since 1996. I've gone as far as studying the psychology of belief, and this area of psychology examines why humans believe in anything, including ideas that not only have no evidence, but are contrary to fact and evidence. Much of the motivations for people to believe in irrational and non-rational ideas is subconscious and tied to social compliance. People have an evolved trait to belong to a tribe, and to be accepted many humans accept the tribal ideas to belong. We see theists as an exelent example of this phenomenon.


Belief is a judgment we humans make, whether consciously and deliberately or subconsciously and involuntary. Many adopt cultural beliefs in the same way we acquire language. It happens as a consequence of social interaction and social learning. We don't think about acquiring language, it just happens. People can become Christian or racist in much the same way, all without any consideration of what the ideas mean.


Belief can be false. It can be true. How we determine this is the degree of evidence for or against an idea. Look at a jury that has to consider evidence for the guilt of an indicted person. They hear both side and make a judgment of guilt. If there is reasonable doubt then the jury found the evidence insufficient to conclude guilt.

All belief is uncertain. We believe in ideas because we are not certain if it's true. We can look at evidence and make assessments and determine if the idea is false, likely true, probable, improbable, etc. The irony of those who insist they believe God exists admit they are uncertain God exists, but in their judgment they have decided God exists. And with b believers being fallible and prone to errors of judgment, well, that's not very good.


So far. I've yet to hear a believer explain why it is reasonable to decide a God exists. They offer no sufficient evidence to compel me to agree with them.


But theists DON'T back up their claim that there is a good reason to believe. They offer NO credible evidence. So theists being the claimants, if they fail to make their case, then the atheists has nothing to prove. No one has to prove ideas not known to be plausible or true AREN'T true.

If a theist had a mundane claim like "I ate a ham sandwich for lunch." well that is plausible and believable. Ham sandwiches exist, and people eat them for lunch, these are facts, so plausible. yet we have theists who believe is all sorts of different Gods, and provide no evidence that any of them exist, in a universe that functions without any sort of observed supernatural phenomenon, and we are supposed to be convinced? Believers can't even convince each other that their specific gods are true and exist, why try to convince atheists?


Straw man, so untrue and irrelevant.


In psychology the word "evil" isn't used. This is an emotional word that doesn't have any real substantive use in science. It is fine for religion or philosophy because they have a lot of attitude for emotional appeals.

What does exist is mental health problems and dysfunctions, and these natural phenomenon affect our lives.

The Roman historian Tacitus records in the fifteenth book of his Annals that, after the great fire in Rome, Emperor Nero fastened the blame on a despised group of people called Christians. Tacitus identifies this group thusly: “Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius.” This passage occurs in every copy we have of the Annals, and its lack of praise for Christ or his divinity is good evidence of its authenticity. But even if the passage is authentic, is it evidence for a historical Jesus?

Pliny the Younger is another historical source for information on Jesus and the early Church. Pliny was the governor of the Roman province of Bithynia, located in Asia Minor. In the year 112 AD, he wrote to the Emperor Trajan, asking how he should deal with those in his region who have been accused of being Christians.
In the letter, Pliny describes the practices of these “criminals”:

“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food–but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”

 

[Dogknox20]

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Dao Hao Now you reject the notion of ghosts. Does not mean there is no Ghosts! You reject the idea of having a spirit.. Does not mean you do not have a spirit!

You BELIEVE there is no Ghosts!
You BELIEVE you do not have a spirit!

You asked.. Is that correct…do you believe in the Hindu gods?
I reply: YES people BELIEVE in Hindu gods... These gods are still gods of some sort! PROVING AGAIN... People have always believed in a God or gods!

You said..
Do I need to prove there has never been a monster in Loch Ness?
Do I need to prove there has never been a Santa Claus?
Do I need to prove there is not a teapot orbiting between Earth and Mars?

I reply... IF you BELIEVE there is NO Loch Ness then you need to show why; There are good reasons to believe Loch Ness does NOT Exist! Or Santa Claus or a Tea Pot! Your BELIEF needs a reason to give you this belief! Cows do NOT have belief. Rocks do not need belief!

Dao Hao Now There is no God because>>>> there are good reasons to believe that God does not exist. That are these reasons!?

Question: Does EVIL Exist?! Can you see Evil? Can you see the air?! Do you believe air exists!?

You are proving to be a dishonest interlocutor.
Is there are reading comprehension issue?

Please stop trying to tell me what I believe.
Instead perhaps listen to what I am telling you.
Just as I’m certain that YOU have a more accurate understanding of YOUR beliefs than I can possibly,…..the same is true in reverse.
I have a more accurate understanding of MY beliefs.

But, there’s hope!

You said;


You are correct!
And by the same principle;
You accepting the notion of ghosts does not mean there are in fact ghosts.
Your accepting the idea of having a spirit, does not mean that you in fact have a spirit.

Here we have an example of the concept of the rejection and acceptance of an idea or belief.

Now since you accept the idea and I do not accept the idea…..there must be a reason for the discrepancy.

You have been convinced (presumably by some evidence or deduction?) and have therefore come to accept and believe in an idea as being factual.

I have not been convinced (due to lack of credible evidence and deduction) and therefore came to reject and NOT believe in the idea as being factual.

So you BELIEVE in the idea.
I DO NOT BELIEVE in the idea.
It’s really that simple!

Now, I have answered all your questions to me as honestly, accurately, directly and succinctly as possible. (If I missed any let me know and I’ll rectify it.)
Can you do me the same courtesy?

As example, I asked:


You replied:


I asked if YOU believe in the Hindu gods…..
not whether PEOPLE believe in Hindu gods.

I had pointed out that Hinduism had over 1.2 billion followers after approximately 4000 years, to see if your reasoning that:
would be just as true if applied to Hindu gods.

The concept being that if I should accept your reasoning that Jesus is the true god based on the idea that his movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 2000 years…..
Do you accept that the Hindu gods are the real gods since their movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 4000 years?

So can you do me the courtesy of answering this question as honestly, accurately, directly, and succinctly as possible……

Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

Now, to answer your questions:


As far as evil goes you can see my full answer to this in @The Hammer’s thread titled
“Good vs Evil”….post #10
No I don’t see evil as an objective “thing”, but as a subjective judgment. Thus it can not been seen.

I don’t get what air would have anything to do with this conversation, but for what it’s worth….
Yes, I believe in air.
As to whether it can been seen…..
In the colloquial sense; generally no
In fact; yes there are times and conditions where it can be seen. For example I grew up around LA in the 60’s….. you could see the air![/QUOTE]
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You asked.... Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

I reply: I am a Christian: Christian = Christ Follower!
I believe Jesus is God! Christians have always believed Jesus is God! Christians have ONE (1) God!

I KNOW people have always believed in a god of some sort! From the Caveman right up today!
I KNOW rocks and any lower forms of life do not believe in a god of any sort!
Man has always believed in a spirit world; have always believed in a afterlife... Of some sort.. The Caveman placed objects in the graves of people for use in their next life!
The Egyptians did the same!
Hindu have their many gods... PROVING they MEN >>>>> HUMANS the highest life form believe in a god/gods of some sort!
The North American Indians believed in a "Great White Spirit"!

To be Atheist is to lower ones self to that of animals! Man has ALWAYS believed in a god/gods! LOGIC ALONE says.. Why would an Atheist care for their children? Their Children have no future other then becoming fertilizer!

 

[Dao Hao Now]

You are proving to be a dishonest interlocutor.
Is there are reading comprehension issue?

Please stop trying to tell me what I believe.
Instead perhaps listen to what I am telling you.
Just as I’m certain that YOU have a more accurate understanding of YOUR beliefs than I can possibly,…..the same is true in reverse.
I have a more accurate understanding of MY beliefs.

But, there’s hope!

You said;


You are correct!
And by the same principle;
You accepting the notion of ghosts does not mean there are in fact ghosts.
Your accepting the idea of having a spirit, does not mean that you in fact have a spirit.

Here we have an example of the concept of the rejection and acceptance of an idea or belief.

Now since you accept the idea and I do not accept the idea…..there must be a reason for the discrepancy.

You have been convinced (presumably by some evidence or deduction?) and have therefore come to accept and believe in an

You are proving to be a dishonest interlocutor.
Is there are reading comprehension issue?

Please stop trying to tell me what I believe.
Instead perhaps listen to what I am telling you.
Just as I’m certain that YOU have a more accurate understanding of YOUR beliefs than I can possibly,…..the same is true in reverse.
I have a more accurate understanding of MY beliefs.

But, there’s hope!

You said;


You are correct!
And by the same principle;
You accepting the notion of ghosts does not mean there are in fact ghosts.
Your accepting the idea of having a spirit, does not mean that you in fact have a spirit.

Here we have an example of the concept of the rejection and acceptance of an idea or belief.

Now since you accept the idea and I do not accept the idea…..there must be a reason for the discrepancy.

You have been convinced (presumably by some evidence or deduction?) and have therefore come to accept and believe in an idea as being factual.

I have not been convinced (due to lack of credible evidence and deduction) and therefore came to reject and NOT believe in the idea as being factual.

So you BELIEVE in the idea.
I DO NOT BELIEVE in the idea.
It’s really that simple!

Now, I have answered all your questions to me as honestly, accurately, directly and succinctly as possible. (If I missed any let me know and I’ll rectify it.)
Can you do me the same courtesy?

As example, I asked:


You replied:


I asked if YOU believe in the Hindu gods…..
not whether PEOPLE believe in Hindu gods.

I had pointed out that Hinduism had over 1.2 billion followers after approximately 4000 years, to see if your reasoning that:
would be just as true if applied to Hindu gods.

The concept being that if I should accept your reasoning that Jesus is the true god based on the idea that his movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 2000 years…..
Do you accept that the Hindu gods are the real gods since their movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 4000 years?

So can you do me the courtesy of answering this question as honestly, accurately, directly, and succinctly as possible……

Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

Now, to answer your questions:


As far as evil goes you can see my full answer to this in @The Hammer’s thread titled
“Good vs Evil”….post #10
No I don’t see evil as an objective “thing”, but as a subjective judgment. Thus it can not been seen.

I don’t get what air would have anything to do with this conversation, but for what it’s worth….
Yes, I believe in air.
As to whether it can been seen…..
In the colloquial sense; generally no
In fact; yes there are times and conditions where it can be seen. For example I grew up around LA in the 60’s….. you could see the air!

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You asked.... Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

I reply: I am a Christian: Christian = Christ Follower!
I believe Jesus is God! Christians have always believed Jesus is God! Christians have ONE (1) God!

I KNOW people have always believed in a god of some sort! From the Caveman right up today!
I KNOW rocks and any lower forms of life do not believe in a god of any sort!
Man has always believed in a spirit world; have always believed in a afterlife... Of some sort.. The Caveman placed objects in the graves of people for use in their next life!
The Egyptians did the same!
Hindu have their many gods... PROVING they MEN >>>>> HUMANS the highest life form believe in a god/gods of some sort!
The North American Indians believed in a "Great White Spirit"!

To be Atheist is to lower ones self to that of animals! Man has ALWAYS believed in a god/gods! LOGIC ALONE says.. Why would an Atheist care for their children? Their Children have no future other then becoming fertilizer![/QUOTE]

Once again, you only answered the part of the question you are comfortable with and ignored the salient point brought up by the question, which was pointed out to you as the premise of the question.

The concept being that if I should accept your reasoning that Jesus is the true god based on the idea that his movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 2000 years…..
Do you accept that the Hindu gods are the real gods since their movement and followers hadn’t disbanded after 4000 years?

So can you do me the courtesy of answering this question as honestly, accurately, directly, and succinctly as possible……

Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?

I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

If we fairly applied your reasoning that if a religion survives over a long period of time and still has a large number of faithful followers that this would qualify as evidence that the god(s) of that religion are true, then you should ALSO believe that the Hindu gods are true.

My hunch is that you do NOT. Thus I asked the question to clarify.
Notice I did NOT declare what I believed about your belief but left it to you to inform me.

If my hunch is correct, and you do NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY that you believe Jesus, it would beg the question;…..
Is the evidence NOT CREDIBLE?

If the evidence IS credible, why doesn’t it persuade you to believe in the Hindu gods?

 

[Sheldon]

To be Atheist is to lower ones self to that of animals!

Humans are animals, that is simply an objective fact. All one need do is Google the word animal to see this is true, you would have more traction if you tried to claim we were more than animals, but for that you'd need some objective evidence, and you know you have none, which is why you're going to so much trouble to create irrational argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies, in a futile attempt to portray a lack of belief as a belief.

Man has ALWAYS believed in a god/gods! LOGIC ALONE says.. Why would an Atheist care for their children?

Yet atheists do care for their children, so a self defeating argument. You are presenting your own sentiments based on your subjective belief, and pretending this means something to an atheist. Ironic given you have just taken another poster to task, asking them not to tell you what you believe.

I doubt you care or will acknowledge the fact, but any species that doesn't care for it's offspring would either have to produce offspring strong enough to survive on their own, or in enough numbers so that sufficient would survive to themselves reproduce, this is entirely explain by the scientific fact of species evolution.

Their Children have no future other then becoming fertilizer!

They have the same future as the children of theists, the rest is just a subjective belief, which you cannot support with any objective evidence.

Atheism is the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, what an individual atheist believe beyond that is irrelevant to that definition. The desire many theists have to misrepresent atheism as a belief, is a transparent attempt to lend credence for their belief in a deity, but this is irrational since it would validate all unfalsifiable claims, even contradictory ones.

 

[Sheldon]

I believe I am proof there is a God and thousands more like me.

Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for that belief, anything beyond unevidenced subjective claims like that one?

 

[Sheldon]

I believe a person who does not believe in God could never be a Christian other than in name.

That belief is irrational, as it uses a known logical fallacy, called a no true Scotsman fallacy. You are of course free to hold irrational beliefs, as is anyone. Why would one though, if one cares that what one believes is true, more than about the belief itself, then being deliberately irrational is self defeating.

 

[Sheldon]

Please stop trying to tell me what I believe.

Given you have persistently misrepresented atheism as a belief, that's pretty ironic don't you think?

 

[Dogknox20]

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You asked.... Do you believe in the Hindu gods in the same way you believe in Jesus?

I reply: I am a Christian: Christian = Christ Follower!
I believe Jesus is God! Christians have always believed Jesus is God! Christians have ONE (1) God!

I KNOW people have always believed in a god of some sort! From the Caveman right up today!
I KNOW rocks and any lower forms of life do not believe in a god of any sort!
Man has always believed in a spirit world; have always believed in a afterlife... Of some sort.. The Caveman placed objects in the graves of people for use in their next life!
The Egyptians did the same!
Hindu have their many gods... PROVING they MEN >>>>> HUMANS the highest life form believe in a god/gods of some sort!
The North American Indians believed in a "Great White Spirit"!

To be Atheist is to lower ones self to that of animals! Man has ALWAYS believed in a god/gods! LOGIC ALONE says.. Why would an Atheist care for their children? Their Children have no future other then becoming fertilizer!

Once again, you only answered the part of the question you are comfortable with and ignored the salient point brought up by the question, which was pointed out to you as the premise of the question.


You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?

I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

If we fairly applied your reasoning that if a religion survives over a long period of time and still has a large number of faithful followers that this would qualify as evidence that the god(s) of that religion are true, then you should ALSO believe that the Hindu gods are true.

My hunch is that you do NOT. Thus I asked the question to clarify.
Notice I did NOT declare what I believed about your belief but left it to you to inform me.

If my hunch is correct, and you do NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY that you believe Jesus, it would beg the question;…..
Is the evidence NOT CREDIBLE?

If the evidence IS credible, why doesn’t it persuade you to believe in the Hindu gods?[/QUOTE]
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You asked... You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?
I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

I reply Once again... I believe Jesus is God! I believe there is but one God! One God not many gods!

 

[Dao Hao Now]

Once again, you only answered the part of the question you are comfortable with and ignored the salient point brought up by the question, which was pointed out to you as the premise of the question.


You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?

I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

If we fairly applied your reasoning that if a religion survives over a long period of time and still has a large number of faithful followers that this would qualify as evidence that the god(s) of that religion are true, then you should ALSO believe that the Hindu gods are true.

My hunch is that you do NOT. Thus I asked the question to clarify.
Notice I did NOT declare what I believed about your belief but left it to you to inform me.

If my hunch is correct, and you do NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY that you believe Jesus, it would beg the question;…..
Is the evidence NOT CREDIBLE?

If the evidence IS credible, why doesn’t it persuade you to believe in the Hindu gods?

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You asked... You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?
I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

I reply Once again... I believe Jesus is God! I believe there is but one God! One God not many gods![/QUOTE]

So you DO NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY as you believe in Jesus.

If not, you negate your entire argument.

Perhaps you should investigate the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Dogknox20]

Humans are animals, that is simply an objective fact. All one need do is Google the word animal to see this is true, you would have more traction if you tried to claim we were more than animals, but for that you'd need some objective evidence, and you know you have none, which is why you're going to so much trouble to create irrational argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies, in a futile attempt to portray a lack of belief as a belief.



Yet atheists do care for their children, so a self defeating argument. You are presenting your own sentiments based on your subjective belief, and pretending this means something to an atheist. Ironic given you have just taken another poster to task, asking them not to tell you what you believe.

I doubt you care or will acknowledge the fact, but any species that doesn't care for it's offspring would either have to produce offspring strong enough to survive on their own, or in enough numbers so that sufficient would survive to themselves reproduce, this is entirely explain by the scientific fact of species evolution.


They have the same future as the children of theists, the rest is just a subjective belief, which you cannot support with any objective evidence.

Atheism is the lack or absence of belief in any deity or deities, what an individual atheist believe beyond that is irrelevant to that definition. The desire many theists have to misrepresent atheism as a belief, is a transparent attempt to lend credence for their belief in a deity, but this is irrational since it would validate all unfalsifiable claims, even contradictory ones.

I reply... The Atheists has zero chance for life after death.. No hope! Man (humans) has always believed in a life after the grave! Lower animals do NOT!
The Atheist lowers oneself to that of a base animal falling into the same category of pigs, chickens, cows, snails, fish etc!!!!

ONLY Man has a hope in eternal life, the atheist does not! The atheist has no hope; their children have no hope!
The Atheist rejects any idea of Ghosts, Spirits, god, miracles, evil...etc They reject all because they reject proof they reject logic!
Man is intelligent enough to understand something greater then themselves exists! Pride goes before a fall!
Satan the father of lies also rejects God, all who reject God as Satan are his children! All who reject God cannot be God' children, they are hopeless!

 

[Dao Hao Now]

I reply... The Atheists has zero chance for life after death.. No hope! Man (humans) has always believed in a life after the grave! Lower animals do NOT!
The Atheist lowers oneself to that of a base animal falling into the same category of pigs, chickens, cows, snails, fish etc!!!!

ONLY Man has a hope in eternal life, the atheist does not! The atheist has no hope; their children have no hope!
The Atheist rejects any idea of Ghosts, Spirits, god, miracles, evil...etc They reject all because they reject proof they reject logic!
Man is intelligent enough to understand something greater then themselves exists! Pride goes before a fall!
Satan the father of lies also rejects God, all who reject God as Satan are his children! All who reject God cannot be God' children, they are hopeless!

So sayeth Dogknox20 !

 

[Dogknox20]

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You asked... You skipped right over the “Do you believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY?
I’m fully aware you are a Christian and believe in Jesus. The question was an attempt to determine if you ALSO believed in the Hindu gods.

I reply Once again... I believe Jesus is God! I believe there is but one God! One God not many gods!

So you DO NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY as you believe in Jesus.

If not, you negate your entire argument.

Perhaps you should investigate the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.[/QUOTE]

I reply: No argument!
FACT: Man has always believed in a god! Man has always believed in an afterlife!

The Atheist rejects god, they have no life after the grave. They have no hope, their children have no hope!
Dao Hao Now If there were no God, the universe would have no meaning, and neither would we. On the other hand, if God exists, then the universe and the beings that inhabit it do have meaning and purpose.
The Atheist cannot understand everything.. But the Atheist will proclaim.. "There is no God"! The Atheist cannot prove god does not exist!
To the Atheist; minds, math, and morality are illusions and don’t exist. To the Atheist life is a meaningless accident.

 

[Dogknox20]

Given you have persistently misrepresented atheism as a belief, that's pretty ironic don't you think?

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Sheldon Logic alone says: Something is a belief and remains a belief until proven true! You cannot PROVE there is no God! Athenium is a belief; it will always be a belief!

God is spirit!
Man has always believed in a god. Man has always believed in spirits!
The North American Indian believed in "The Great White Spirit"!

The Atheist must reject what man has always believed but with NO proof as to why they reject the belief!

 

[Dao Hao Now]

So you DO NOT believe in the Hindu gods IN THE SAME WAY as you believe in Jesus.

If not, you negate your entire argument.

Perhaps you should investigate the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.

I reply: No argument!
FACT: Man has always believed in a god! Man has always believed in an afterlife!

The Atheist rejects god, they have no life after the grave. They have no hope, their children have no hope!
Dao Hao Now If there were no God, the universe would have no meaning, and neither would we. On the other hand, if God exists, then the universe and the beings that inhabit it do have meaning and purpose.
The Atheist cannot understand everything.. But the Atheist will proclaim.. "There is no God"! The Atheist cannot prove god does not exist!
To the Atheist; minds, math, and morality are illusions and don’t exist. To the Atheist life is a meaningless accident.[/QUOTE]

No argument eh?
OK perhaps it would be more accurate to say;
You negate your entire proclamation.

I see your back to trying to tell atheists what they believe again…..really sad.

 

[Dogknox20]

I reply: No argument!
FACT: Man has always believed in a god! Man has always believed in an afterlife!

The Atheist rejects god, they have no life after the grave. They have no hope, their children have no hope!
Dao Hao Now If there were no God, the universe would have no meaning, and neither would we. On the other hand, if God exists, then the universe and the beings that inhabit it do have meaning and purpose.
The Atheist cannot understand everything.. But the Atheist will proclaim.. "There is no God"! The Atheist cannot prove god does not exist!
To the Atheist; minds, math, and morality are illusions and don’t exist. To the Atheist life is a meaningless accident.

No argument eh?
OK perhaps it would be more accurate to say;
You negate your entire proclamation.

I see your back to trying to tell atheists what they believe again…..really sad.[/QUOTE]
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Dao Hao Now I know what you don't believe.. "There is a god"! You Believe there isn't a god!"
You also don't believe; your children have any hope! The Atheist and their children are hopeless! Nothing to look forward to except the grave!

You see Evil in the world but reject any Good! God is Good and Satan is evil! If there is a God then there is also Satan an evil!

Satan is against God.. He is Anti-Christ, he is Anti-Christian! He is anti-Christian because Christians believe in Jesus the Godman!
There is No Anti-Mohamad, No Anti-Buda, No anti-Atheist... Only Anti-Christ because Satan rejects truth for lies!

 

[Dao Hao Now]

No argument eh?
OK perhaps it would be more accurate to say;
You negate your entire proclamation.

I see your back to trying to tell atheists what they believe again…..really sad.

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Dao Hao Now I know what you don't believe.. "There is a god"! You Believe there isn't a god!"
You also don't believe; your children have any hope! The Atheist and their children are hopeless! Nothing to look forward to except the grave!

You see Evil in the world but reject any Good! God is Good and Satan is evil! If there is a God then there is also Satan an evil!

Satan is against God.. He is Anti-Christ, he is Anti-Christian! He is anti-Christian because Christians believe in Jesus the Godman!
There is No Anti-Mohamad, No Anti-Buda, No anti-Atheist... Only Anti-Christ because Satan rejects truth for lies![/QUOTE]

Well, thanks for clueing me in on what I believe.
I can finally stop thinking….If I have any questions in the future, can I check in with you to see which way I lean on a subject?

 

[Dogknox20]

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Dao Hao Now I know what you don't believe.. "There is a god"! You Believe there isn't a god!"
You also don't believe; your children have any hope! The Atheist and their children are hopeless! Nothing to look forward to except the grave!

You see Evil in the world but reject any Good! God is Good and Satan is evil! If there is a God then there is also Satan an evil!

Satan is against God.. He is Anti-Christ, he is Anti-Christian! He is anti-Christian because Christians believe in Jesus the Godman!
There is No Anti-Mohamad, No Anti-Buda, No anti-Atheist... Only Anti-Christ because Satan rejects truth for lies!

Well, thanks for clueing me in on what I believe.
I can finally stop thinking….If I have any questions in the future, can I check in with you to see which way I lean on a subject?
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Dao Hao Now I BELIEVE..!!!! I have FAITH in having a after life!
I believe in a God.. A loving, caring, kind God that has promised me a life of eternal happiness!

There are people that have had a near death experience; These people have seen relatives that had died and some have even seen relatives they did not know they had! There are others that have had "Near Death Experiences" that have seen, felt pure evil, desolate, gray, lifeless landscape... They could feel the evil around them!
The people that had a happy death experience today say; they are not afraid of dyeing! The others that had a awful death experience have changed their lives having become more kind towards those people around them!
The Opra Winfred Show also had these people on, she interviewed them! One man who was a grouch most of his life saw Evil wrapped in rags covering his whole body except for his bright red eyes! The Evil was coming up a slope towards him, he was very afraid so started calling to Jesus.. "Save Me" he woke up in a hospital bed; today he is a changed man!

Dao Hao Now You have your "belief" with nothing more then a WISH that you are right and that the world has been wrong! Everything to lose nothing to gain!