Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Whats your point?
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My new meta-debate hammer, anti-dogmatism
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Jimmy
King Phenomenon
It’s still a useless endeavor
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Eh not many. Eventually all make up their mind
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Do you have a problem with the word everybody? Ok 99.9% how’s that? Haha.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Yeah different situations different beliefs. So what.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The first one is a tautology. The second one is correct, it is an opinion. As for spiting if that is someone's thing, then that is so.. Now I don't like it, but that is me. And I wouldn't call it right or wrong, but an opinion.
Stop acting as if you talk for all humans.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, if you can solve Agrippa's Trilemma, we would get a long way on good and bad.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Stop telling me to act a certain way and mind your own business
I think the word 'Scientism' was coined for a way to describe a dogmatic position that holds science to be the only or best way of learning about objective reality. I do vigilantly call out that type of dogmatism when I see it.So, long story short, I think we should all call out the dogmatists wherever and whenever we see them
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Right back at you. Stop telling me how I think as if you think for all humans.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
No one likes it. I got news for ya. And as far as the African tribes that do it well that isn’t what I’m referring to. Any idiot can see that from the comtext.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Not just that. That science is the best or only way to do everyday life as such.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, point the context out and I will admit I was mistaken.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Nah. You’re just one of those people who like to nit pick and get petty over grammar.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence, please. How do you know that is the case?
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Even when u know what someone meant. U like to play games
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Spoilsport. I was thinking of bringing a persuader to my next debate:Call me reductionist if you will, but I'm seeing a common thread across many ideas or opinions or behaviors with which I disagree. The common thread I'm seeing is dogmatism. For years my RF avatar read "anti-theist". That's still true for me, but I think a broader perspective is "anti-dogmatist".
There's a blindingly obvious truism that I first heard from Sam Harris. (AFAIK he does NOT claim to be the creator of this truism.):
"Humans have come up with two basic ways to settle disputes; talking it out, or violence."
As a general rule, when a person is behaving dogmatically, they are shutting down the possibility of "talking it out". So I'll claim that dogmatism often leads to violence.
And I see dogmatism coming from all corners of social, political, religious spectrums. The DEI folks are often dogmatic. The MAGA types as well. Religious people almost by definition.
With all that said, I also acknowledge that I think we need a few unfalsifiable, philosophical axioms to have any sort of discussion at all. I acknowledge I have mine. But I'm willing to admit to these axioms and I'm willing to revise them if I see good evidence.
So, long story short, I think we should all call out the dogmatists wherever and whenever we see them
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
A lot of game players on RF
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, yes, sometimes, but not always. So I will grant you have a limited point. And sometimes when it seems, I play games it is not that, but reductio ad absurdum.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, that is not evidence. That is a free floating claim.